List of False Teachers

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I’m often asked to assess what others teach. I do not do this lightly, but it is necessary. Before reading this page, or any of the pages about specific people, I recommend that you read What is a False Teacher?, which explains what the Bible says about false teachers, and why I would bother to research who they are and what they say.

Which people are false teachers?

If Christianity is true – and I’m convinced that it is – then everyone who teaches something different is incorrect. That doesn’t mean that every non-Christian is a false teacher. For the purposes of instruction, false teachers are those who claim to preach the gospel but do not. I can’t judge whether someone is sincerely wrong or whether they’re abusing others in the name of Jesus for personal gain. I will not judge whether someone is, or is not, a Christian. I can only judge what they teach, and whether it contradicts the clear message of the Bible.

Below are two lists. The first is of people, groups, and ideas. The second is a list of Bibles that should not be used. Both lists are incomplete, and – unfortunately – always will be. Not every person on the people list should be considered a false teacher. If they’re on the list, there are either serious questions about something they teach, or they identify themselves as partners with false teachers, or as students of false teachers.

Most of the people on this list are prominent leaders in specific unbiblical movements. Because those movements are full of false teachings, those leaders are necessarily teaching falsely as well. As I have time, I will write individual articles on each, outlining things they have said and written that are unbiblical or problematic. Remember that the goal is not to gossip or slander, but to expose unbiblical ideas by comparing them with biblical ideas.

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Name, Group, or IdeaFalse Teachings
Arnold Murray (Shepherd’s Chapel)British Israelism, annihilation, pre-existence, modalism, serpent seed, and more
Benny HinnWord of Faith
Bethel Church (Redding, CA)NAR
Bill JohnsonNAR
Brian SimmonsNAR, The Passion Bible
Bob JonesNAR
C. Peter WagnerNAR
Charles CappsWord of Faith
Che AhnNAR
Creflo DollarWord of Faith
Dominion TheologyNAR
Dwight ThompsonWord of Faith
Earnest AngleyWord of Faith
Eddie LongWord of Faith
EW KenyonWord of Faith
Five-fold Ministry
Frederick KC PriceWord of Faith
Hillsong (Australia and worldwide)NAR
IHOPNAR
James GollNAR
Jerry SavelleWord of Faith
Jesse DuplantisWord of Faith
Joel’s ArmyNAR
Joel OsteenWord of Faith
John AvanziniWord of Faith
John WimberNAR
Joseph PrinceWord of Faith
Joyce MeyerWord of Faith
Juanita BynumWord of Faith
Kenneth CopelandWord of Faith
Kenneth HaginWord of Faith
Kim ClementNAR
Kingdom NowNAR
Latter Rain Movement
Marilyn HickeyWord of Faith
Mike BickelNAR
Mike MurdockWord of Faith
Morris CerruloWord of Faith
New Apostolic Reformation
Norvel HayesWord of Faith
Paul Yonggi ChoWord of Faith
Paul and Jan CrouchWord of Faith
Paula WhiteWord of Faith
Peter Popoff
Rick JoynerNAR
Robert TiltonWord of Faith
Rod ParsleyWord of Faith
Rodney Howard-BrowneWord of Faith
Spiritual MappingNAR
Steve ShultzNAR
TBNNAR, Word of Faith
TD JakesWord of Faith
The Elijah ListNAR
Third Wave
Todd BentleyNAR
Toronto Blessing / Brownsville RevivalNAR
William BranhamNAR
Word of Faith

Problematic Bibles

I’m regularly asked about whether a specific Bible is good or bad. Most of the Bibles in the world as just fine. They adequately communicate God’s message to humanity without significantly substituting human ideas or traditions for divine revelation.

That’s not the whole story, of course. There are a number of Bibles that should be avoided entirely. This list is incomplete, and I have not written about each individually to this point, but I will as time permits.

Bible VersionProblems
JST
Joseph Smith Translation
An altered version of the King James Bible designed to fit the theology of Joseph Smith, founder of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons), a pseudo-Christian cult.
NWT
New World Translation
Produced by the Jehovah’s Witnesses, a pseudo-Christian cult, to fit their own theology.
TPT
The Passion Bible
Not translated by a qualified team, but paraphrased by one person, Brian Simmons. Designed to promote unbiblical New Apostolic Reformation principles, not to reflect what eyewitnesses to Jesus’ ministry originally wrote.

Special Rules for Commenting

Pretty much everybody has an opinion. I’m not interested in opinions here. I’m interested in FACTS. You may like a particular teacher, and someone else may dislike them. Neither makes them a good teacher or a bad teacher. It’s what they SAY and DO that matters. So:


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keith
keith
June 6, 2020 4:41 pm

do you believe in the baptism of the holy spirit and do you believe
that speaking in tongues is also for today. people sometimes say
that they ceased. i enjoyed your conv. about sabbath regs.

Stuart McGregor
Stuart McGregor
January 3, 2021 6:20 pm
Reply to  Tony

Hi Tony thanks for all the great information and guidance makes you think again! Do you have any leading teachers you recommend both now and in the past. Thoughts on Billy Graham and now his son, and Smith Wigglesworth? Thanks

Andrew
Andrew
January 5, 2021 6:27 pm
Reply to  Tony

Franklin Graham is joining events with Paula White and Joseph Cahn

Jan Winnard
Jan Winnard
February 14, 2021 2:45 pm
Reply to  Tony

RE: Franklin Graham, I have for many years facilitated Collection of Shoeboxes in connection with his Samaritan’s Purse Operation Christmas Child, and had no concerns about Franklin’s faith until after I recently learned how he had joined hands with NAR proponents, and false teacher Paula White, (Trump’s “spiritual adviser”) in the very active promotion of Donald Trump for President. I had wondered, after the shameful violence perpetrated by Trump at the Capitol on January 6th, how in the world the words “evangelical Christianity” could have become so closely associated with Mr. Trump, and it was only then I discovered that many well known Christian leaders in America, Franklin included, had, in effect, failed to discern the spirit that was moving in, around, and through Mr. Trump. Many NAR proponents and WOF teachers (including Rodney Howard-Browne) recognized in Trump “a kindred spirit” and “laid hands on him” effectively anointing him as their “leader” shortly after his election in 2017.
https://www.kansascity.com/news/nation-world/article160904779.html
https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2019/11/26/commentary-how-many/

I had no idea this had taken place, either. I am evangelical, and a Christian, but I never discerned in Mr. Trump anything even remotely resembling the Holy Spirit, and never voted for him. Truth be told, past two elections I’ve simply written in a vote for “Jesus.”

I just sent Franklin Graham a loving, respectful letter, asking him to please do some research on the NAR and WOF movements, and consider the possibility that what he chose to join hands with in the promotion of this man in the name of “evangelical Christianity” was far from holy or God ordained. How I pray that word gets out among our Bible believing churches, and Bible-preaching pastors in America that the spirit that was behind the Trump phenomenon was not the Holy Spirit at all, and had Trump been re-elected, this nation would have found itself subject to the whims of a man motivated by the same spirit that is working in the NAR and the WOF movements to create a “Theocracy” in America, with false prophets and false teachers in positions of pulling no few number of strings behind the scenes.

Tom Carpio
Tom Carpio
September 22, 2020 9:06 pm

Hi, I just wanted to ask, is the TBN you are referring to in the list “False Teachers” the TV station “Trinity Broadcasting Network”? I follow and watch Dr. David Jeremiah’s teaching from that station. But the station also air most of the “false teachers” you were referring to, so I’m confused. But thanks to the list you have provided. I believe them to be true. I have watched Joseph Prince a couple of times and I might have missed the points you have made about him, maybe because of my hard of hearing? Thank you for what you do, sir!

Andrew
Andrew
January 5, 2021 6:26 pm
Reply to  Tony

David Jeremiah is now actively joining hands with jim bakker

Anders Jonsson
Anders Jonsson
October 21, 2020 8:13 am

In response to Keith’s question about tongues, I would like to refer to a couple verses that I think support cessationism. Matt. 9.6 declares why Jesus did miracles: that men might know that He has power on earth to forgive sins. Similarly, Heb. 2.4 tells how God gave the apostles miraculous powers to confirm their testimonies. From the context it seems, to me at least, that those special powers were for that specific time. There was a reason for them then. Just like in the days of Moses and in the days of Elijah. Of course, God can do something similar at some future time. But I don’t see any evidence of it today.

Anders
Anders
October 23, 2020 7:09 am

Yes, cessationism is an interesting topic, and yes, there is a lot to be skeptical about regarding charismatic/pentecostal claims. And yes, things happen on the mission field that don’t seem to happen in Europe or America. But here is my question: Salvation was announced (past tense) by the Lord. It was confirmed to us (past tense) by THOSE WHO HEARD HIM. (How is that not a reference to apostles?) And God testified (past tense) to their witness by… gifts of the Holy Spirit. Does not Heb. 2.4 at least give some weight to the cessationists argument?
That said, I noticed for the first time that the KJV seems to support the cessationist view more than other versions I’ve read. Heb. 2.4 in the KJV reads, “God also bearing THEM witness with… gifts.” And the THEM is in italics. ie. not found in the Greek. So the KJV reader could deduce that the signs and gifts were given “them”, but not “us”.

John Dueck
John Dueck
March 22, 2021 8:18 pm
Reply to  Anders

The word “them” in Hebrews 2:4 I believe the translators could not translate the sentence from the Greek to English properly so the added “them” in italics so it made sense.

Tommy Belesky
Tommy Belesky
November 13, 2020 12:38 am

i have been giving money to benny hinn ministries for years and your telling me he is a false teacher??? what about texe marrs and rebecca brown who was really ruth bailey, both are dead, they were false teachers, what about Alan Beal who may have a different last name cause of marriage from gore, new zealand, is he not a false teacher?

Andrew
Andrew
November 21, 2020 3:25 pm

Do you take recommendations for other false teachings / teachers to be added to this list?

Cindy
Cindy
November 23, 2020 12:15 pm

What do you know about Joseph A Cortez? I ran across a e-book of his on Revelation and I’ve NEVER heard such things EVER. Some of it sounds interesting but Im not sure I trust his teaching. Ive never heard of him until now.

Anders
Anders
November 25, 2020 1:21 pm

Never heard of Joseph Cortes before, but I watched a one-hour video by him (nr. 9-302 from 2009) out of curiosity, and have to admit I was quite taken. I’ve never claimed to understand Revelations, but what Cortes teaches is radical, grounded, and makes one want hear more. His premise is that the book was written for Christians but not to us. It was written to the Jews. Much in the chapters concerns events that are past. He identifies anti-Christ, explains Jacob’s troubles, and shows where USA in named in Scripture.

Anders
Anders
November 30, 2020 7:51 am

After listening to more of Joseph Cortes (pronounced Courts) I would second your caution about focusing too much on eschatology. I guess the other ditch to be avoided would be ignoring it all together, which is the tendency in the Lutheran church. Cortes rambles and teases but in general it seems to me that he is wanting to expose pre trib premillennialism as false teaching which first appeared with Darby around 1830. Fascinating study, but not easy to come to any final resolution.

Jeannette
Jeannette
December 7, 2020 1:17 pm

A friend of mine was asking if I could find any solid information about Steve Maltz, as someone she knows thinks he is wonderful. Being certain he is a false teacher, she is concerned. A search sent me here and I like what I see so far – especially as you are not a cessationist! So many are, understandably, put off genuine spiritual gifts by all the deceptive and demonic things claimed to be from the Holy Spirit and lump them all together as evil by definition.

Do you have any information besides his NAR connection that might help pin down what Steve Maltz teaches?

Thank you

Jeannette
Jeannette
December 11, 2020 2:05 pm
Reply to  Tony

Thank you for your reply and for the good work you are doing.

It seems that Steve Maltz must remain a mystery for now, but the Lord will make things plain (Malachi 3:18?).

My friend’s friend is the one who (after appearing very “sound” and balanced as long as she has known her) seems to have become enthralled by false teachers. One of them was obvious, such as a doctor who turned out on a quick check to be a New Age “Healing guru” talking about “Listening to your body and “Connecting with the Divine”.

I hope that I’m not too obsessed with prophecy as such. Yet it seems plain that we are seeing the great apostasy foretold in scripture happening before our eyes. So many Christian leaders seem to be suddenly falling away and taking their followers with them, while false teachers and prophets multiply.

It’s a fine line, isn’t it – being aware of the signs of the times and Enemy tactics, yet not becoming an ardent “Conspiracy theorist”. Isaiah 8:11-14 is always a steadying influence.

Yours in Christ

Jeannette

Anders
Anders
December 12, 2020 2:52 am

Steve Maltz has written a book called, God’s Signature, The Wonders of the Hebrew Language. According to Amazon, “you will learn in this book: How Moses wrote his five books; How the Hebrew language speaks to us; What God’s real name is; Which translations of the Bible are truly inspired; What the Jewish scribes did for us; What separates man from the animals; Where Jesus hid in the Old Testament; Which Hebrew letter spoke of the virgin birth; Which method of Bible interpretation you never hear about; How to say the Aaronic blessing properly;” You can also hear Maltz on Youtube where he, for example, explains how the church lost the truth.

Jeannette
Jeannette
December 18, 2020 9:33 am
Reply to  Anders

Thank you. Yes “How the church lost the truth” does sound rather strange and even cult-like. The only problem is in knowing exactly what “Truth” it’s supposed to have lost. It doesn’t sound like it but it could simply mean the truth that we need to repent and be saved, instead of the modern tendency of preaching “Gospel lite”

It also sounds as if he may be into “Hebrew Roots”. Or might he just be explaining how the Bible should be understood from the Jewish perspective in which it was already written.

Jeannette
Jeannette
December 18, 2020 9:36 am
Reply to  Anders

Don’t misunderstand my last comment. It does seem certain Steve Maltz is dodgy. It’s just that false teachers tend to wriggle out of criticism by saying they didn’t mean what we think they mean

Fred
Fred
December 14, 2020 5:12 am

How did Ken Copeland not make the cut?

Anders
Anders
December 20, 2020 8:54 am

Has the church lost the truth? I can only answer for the denomination I have belonged to for the past 35 years. The seminaries, the leadership, including the archbishop, bishops and majority of the priests, have long since denied the authority of the Scriptures. Why would anyone stay in a church like that, you may well ask. I’m often tempted to leave, but happily there are still groups of lay people and a few ministers who “receive the Word with all readiness of mind and search the Scriptures daily whether these things are true.” Wherever that is happening you cannot claim that the truth has been lost.

Salim
Salim
January 17, 2021 7:14 am

Dear Sir !!You should know the word of faith is not False teaching ,If you have the gift of faith & speak the word according to the guidance of the Holy Spirit it is not a false teaching, You can not blame the Anointed of God
….
Be Carefull ,Sir …..

Teaching the Anointed with Negative about them is Good ……..

Andrew
Andrew
January 17, 2021 7:48 am
Reply to  Salim

1 Cor 18-31
Eph 2

Andrew
Andrew
January 17, 2021 7:49 am
Reply to  Salim

Deut 18(18:20)

Andrew
Andrew
January 17, 2021 8:14 am
Reply to  Salim

Salim how can you justify your statement with scripture to back your stance?

In Gal 2:11-21 Paul rebuking/correcting Peter

1 Tim 1 don’t teach strange doctrines(doctrines not found in scripture) and the kicking out of the church 2 false teachers

Matt 7 judging those that are believers for correction and restoration of the beliver in sin.

1 Cor 5 (judges a man for unhabitual sexual immorality and kicking man out of the church)

For instances of Paul kicking unrepentant false teachers and unrepentant sinner, he would have handled proper church discipline that is laid out in (Matt 18(18:15-17)

1 Cor 5(5:12-13) 1 Corinthians 5:12–13 (NASB95): 12 For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Do you not judge those who are within the church?
13 But those who are outside, God judges. Remove the wicked man from among yourselves.”

Juding is here in greek is to decide,to think,- basically to evaluate- so if one is claiming Christ we have a standard to judge(evaluate) if the are a believer, are they teaching starage doctrines (this that are not found in scripture- extra biblical revelation)

Hebrews 1:1 states God doesnt speak through prophets and via signs anymore because we have the completed Word(the Bible).

1 Tim 3:16-17 2 Timothy 3:16–17 (NASB95): “All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;
17 so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.”

Deuteronomy 18:10–12 (NASB95): 10There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, one who uses divination, one who practices witchcraft, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer,
11 or one who casts a spell, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead.
12 “For whoever does these things is detestable to the Lord; and because of these detestable things the Lord your God will drive them out before you.
Do not touch God’s anointed was meaning about old testament prophets, which when we look in Hebrew 1:1 God doesnt speak through prophets anymore

So how and you justify your statement when the Biblical Council(what Scripture says time and time again) that we do have the right to evaluate and say if someone is teaching false doctrine, what scripture are you using to justify your point?

https://www.gotquestions.org/touch-not-Gods-anointed.html

Tom Carpio
Tom Carpio
January 22, 2021 10:52 pm

Greetings brother Tony. I stumbled this video on FB while following Wretched.org. Paul and Jan Crouch interview of Walter Martin (RIP) uploaded by Reformed Christian Voice Radio. Maybe you’ve seen it but here it is anyway: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tb_T750l8ow

God bless you sir!

Melissa
Melissa
February 1, 2021 5:42 am

Could you please tell me about Rick Warren. I have a hunch he is a false teacher.

Fred
Fred
February 3, 2021 6:55 am
Reply to  Melissa

At first glance, everything that Rick Warren says sounds great. However, there are problems beneath the surface, beyond the introductory material. The main issue is that after you get into the program a bit, the focus is taken away from Christ crucified, the salvation message, sin and redemption and more towards Rick’s programs. Whether that is purpose driven, how to be a better leader, or some type of social justice gospel. He has a habit of using multiple versions of the Bible, sometimes paraphrased, to make his points, rather than seeing what the Bible has to say, and speak from that. I know of a Pastor that said he had to make a choice, either serve Rick or serve Jesus, you can’t do both.

Fred
Fred
February 23, 2021 9:40 am
Reply to  Tony

Tony,
I agree with your comment and I think Rick Warren should not be listed as a false teacher. However, I think it is fair to list some valid concerns about Rick Warren. One is the New Age / Progressive / Emergent gospel which has infiltrated many churches today which is noted in Rick Warren’s writings. Warren Smith has a few books on it including A Wonderful Deception and Deceived on Purpose. Noah Hutchings has The Dark Side of the Purpose Driven Church. Examples of the Emergent / New Age gospel is explored in these books. But that is not the primary concern. The primary concern is his insistence on using multiple Bible versions to use the Bible to craft his points, rather than looking at the Bible to structure his views. One version he uses is the Message Bible. The Bible represents absolute truth and the goal is to get to the original language as closely as possible. Many versions do this accurately such as the: KJV, NKJV, ESV, NIV, NASB, RSV, YLT, etc. But the Message Bible changes and distorts the word of God to give it a new meaning. There are numerous websites that show this on a verse by verse basis. One website is: https://www.chapter3min.org/the-message-verse-comparisons/ or https://www.doveministries.com/key-issues/dangers-of-the-message-bible/ Even the flagship verse of John 3:16 is changed.
GotQuestions.org is an excellent resource and states: “The original version of The Message was printed without the traditional numbered verses, making it read more like a novel. Many people found this refreshing at first, but also found it inconvenient for cross-referencing, comparison with other versions, and group Bible studies. As far as the negatives are concerned, there are numerous websites and articles devoted to the translation errors in The Message, too numerous to reiterate here. Suffice it to say that The Message has engendered more criticism for its lack of serious scholarship and outright bizarre renderings than just about any other Bible version to date. One common complaint from many who read The Message or hear it read aloud is “I didn’t recognize it as the Bible.” Other critics declare The Message to be not a paraphrase of what the Bible says, but more of a rendering of what Eugene Peterson would like it to say. In an interview with Christianity Today, Peterson described the beginning of the creative process that produced The Message: “I just kind of let go and became playful. And that was when the Sermon on the Mount started. I remember I was down in my basement study, and I did the Beatitudes in about ten minutes. And all of a sudden I realized this could work.” Aside from the impossibility of doing justice to the Sermon on the Mount in ten minutes, one wonders whether playfulness is the appropriate demeanor for those who attempt to “rightly divide the word of Truth” (2 Timothy 2:15). Awe and reverence for a holy God and His holy Word, yes. Playfulness? No.”

Anders
Anders
February 3, 2021 1:27 pm

The Purpose Driven Life had apparently sold over 30 million copies by 2007. The updated book cover now says over 34 million copies have sold, but Wikipedia claims the number is actually over 60 million. Regardless of the actual number, it’s a lot—so many that it’s been translated into over 85 languages.

And, not only is it a top book on life purpose, but it’s consistently in the top 50 books of all-time. Publishers Weekly claims it is the “bestselling nonfiction hardback in history.”
So it seems to me that Melissa’s question is an important one.

Evangprince
Evangprince
February 15, 2021 3:59 pm

Stop destroying the chosen generation.Men and women called by God to do his will on earth.

Fred
Fred
February 20, 2021 9:58 pm

I read some views and talking about president Trump. Yes they laid hands on him and prayed for him. Trump did a lot of good for the Christian community and tried defund plan parent hood. He had great policies. Key stone pipe line, cut regulation, lowered taxes, had built 450 miles of border fence and strengthen or tighten up immigration policies. Brought Syria/ IRack to a conclusion, took the US OUT of the US Paris accord. Abollis the deal with Iran. And put China on notice and much more and also making Jerusalem Isreals capital. You might not like him, but I like his policies.

Jimmy
Jimmy
February 27, 2021 8:21 am

What is the Passion Bible and why is it on your list

Anders
Anders
March 16, 2021 3:01 am

I’ve been studying 1 Peter with some friends and the question of supersessionism (replacement theology) has come up. Is supersessionism false teaching, in your view? And who holds to this doctrine today? Or maybe I should ask, who doesn’t. Thanks.

Bob Worthen
Bob Worthen
March 22, 2021 10:50 pm

Why is it over 90% of the so-called Christian Churches ignore the 4th of the 10 Commandments. God worked six days, Genesis 2:3, “And God blessed the seventh day and made it holy…” Not only that but the 4th Commandment is the only Commandment that starts with the word REMEMBER. God knew this Commandment would not be “remembered” and seems to me to be an important sign between good and bad teachers.

Bob Worthen
Bob Worthen
March 23, 2021 11:03 pm

Tony:
I saw on another computer where you had left a reply to my original comments and question but here on my computer there is no reply from you. First of all, God made the Seventh Day Sabbath Holy at creation or as many have said, re-creation. It was then given as one of the Ten Commandments to the Israelites. Jesus Christ kept the Seventh Day Sabbath and his Disciples kept it after he died. Even the Holy Days or High Sabbaths will be kept in the future after Christ returns according to New Testament scripture. What man can make un-Holy what God made Holy? My contention is that NONE can. Except for Jesus Christ, the perfect sacrifice, we are all sinners and the only way for redemption is through him. We must do our best to follow his teachings and his example fully knowing that we can not do so without his Holy Spirit. In my own life I have 2 goals:
1. To try to do what Jesus Christ would do if he were me by studying his life.
2. To strive for perfection knowing that in this human life, I will never attain perfection.
The most important Christian Trait: I Corinthians 13
The most important thing to do: Matthew 6:14

Bob Worthen
Bob Worthen
March 24, 2021 6:55 pm

Tony:
Thank you for your reply. Yes, I have studied the Bible a lot from my youth. My late father used to say, “Robert, you read the Bible for yourself so you know what it says. That way, you have a base for discerning fact from fiction.” I agree with a lot of what you have said Tony, but I look at the Sabbath as being set apart by God for mankind from the very beginning and according to prophesy will be kept in the future. And although we may not have to “keep” the Seventh Day Sabbath to be in God’s Kingdom, I do my best to personally draw as close to God as I can. If you have a child and you tell the child to sit in a particular chair and that child refuses to do so, will you be happy with the child for refusing to obey you? I think not. Will you disown the child? Probably not. But, that is the way I look at the Seventh Day Sabbath and a number of other issues. It may not be a requirement to be a Christian but I believe it helps me to be a better Christian. Some people feel that being a Vegetarian helps them to be a better Christian… Personally, I think that us trying to keep the Seventh Day Sabbath may be more important to God than most realize. When Christ returns, we will all find out. Notice how all ten of the Virgins thought they were Christians and would be in God’s Kingdom but half did not “make the cut.” In the end we are not each other’s judges, God is.
When you know the truth the truth sets you free from all of the lies and deceit. May God bless you in your continuing to seek the truth.

Anders
Anders
March 25, 2021 1:36 pm

Very interesting debate. From both sides. Many years ago I had a South African friend who belonged to the 7th Day Adventists. Terrific fellow and we got on very well. But he could never understand how I could not see what he felt was so clearly taught in the Scriptures about the Sabbath. As far as he was concerned, it was there in black and white. Plain as day. And I was somehow blind to it. I suspect Bob feels the same way as my friend. But you are making good, helpful points, Tony. I would only offer one small, a little off topic, suggestion. You close by saying a Christian’s “instructions are in the gospels.” I believe it would be more correct to say the church’s instructions are in the epistles. Specifically, Paul’s.

Bob Worthen
Bob Worthen
March 26, 2021 12:51 am

Tony:
Again, you make some excellent points. I still am drawn back to my original question. I’m going to ask and phrase it in a different way though. So, from my experience, at least 90% of the “Christian Churches” teach their people to obey 9 of the 10 Commandments. The first 4 Commandments given to the Israelites were how to honor and love God. The last 6 were on how to honor and love your fellow humans. Every Christian Church or group that I have studied teach following 9 of the 10 Commandments. Why not just ignore all of them?
It’s like tithing. EVERY “Christian Church” that I have attended or studied teach tithing, yet that is part of the Old Covenant. It seems to me that just because something was part of the Old Covenant does not mean it is not part of the New Covenant. The overarching instructions given to us by Jesus Christ himself is to love God with all of our hearts and souls and to love our fellow humans as ourselves. That is my personal goal to be counted worthy to be in God’s Kingdom. “To whom much is given, much is required.”
I John 3:21-22 “…we have confidence before God and receive from him anything we ask, because we OBEY his commands and do what PLEASES him.” NIV
I plan to continue to try my best to please God. I have found no perfect church. I do attend a church which is from my studies, the closest to my beliefs from my 50 plus years of Biblical studying and practicing God’s ways. I have endured many trials and yet I can not count all of my blessings. I despise Pagan Holidays like Christmas and Easter which are based in lies and deceit. Most churches teach Jesus Christ was murdered and died on a Friday and was raised on Sunday morning. Yet the prophesies say he would be in the grave 3 days and 3 nights. Do you know the answer to this “riddle?”
Seems to me there is a LOT of false teaching going on in the vast majority of the churches. Looking forward you your response my friend:)

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