I’m often asked to assess what others teach. I do not do this lightly, but it is necessary. Before reading this page, or any of the pages about specific people, I recommend that you read What is a False Teacher?, which explains what the Bible says about false teachers, and why I would bother to research who they are and what they say. You may also want to check out a list of Bible Teachers I Can Recommend.
Myles Munroe was an evangelist, author, and speaker. Born in the Bahamas, Munroe developed a worldwide ministry that grew for over 30 years. He and his wife Ruth died in a plane crash in 2014 while on their way to a conference in the Bahamas.
Unfortunately, Myles Munroe was a false teacher. I don’t say that gladly. He was by all accounts a happy man, an engaging speaker, and a skilled leader of leaders. He could have done much more for the Kingdom of God had he clearly taught what we find in the Scriptures. Instead, he taught heretical Word of Faith doctrines.
There’s no doubt that Myles Munroe taught many true things. Unfortunately, as a Word of Faith teacher, he also taught a number of unbiblical things for many years. Among them were false ideas about God and humanity.
God is illegal?
The foundational teaching of Munroe’s ministry has to do with “dominion.” It all boils down to this quote:
God Himself is illegal on earth. Why? Because, He is a spirit and the law He set up by His own mouth was that only spirits with bodies can function on earth legally.”
It’s assumed by his followers to be true because… well, because he said it. There is, of course, no such law. This false idea is the basis on which Munroe’s teaching on dominion rises or falls. The Bible contains absolutely no mention of this concept. It’s the main claim behind his teaching on dominion, on the gospel, on the kingdom, on prayer, on money, and more.
Who has dominion?
A commonly-held belief among Word of Faith teachers has to do with “dominion.” That is, with who has power and authority in the universe. Both Judaism and Christianity teach that God is all-powerful, having created all that exists… and that there is nothing that He wants to do that He cannot do.
In contrast, Word of Faith teachers like Munroe teach the opposite. They claim that God is subject to laws that limit His ability to act. Here’s a thumbnail sketch of the concept:
- God created Adam and gave him dominion over the earth.
- When Adam sinned, he lost dominion to Satan… locking God out of the earth.
- When Jesus died and rose again, mankind recovered that dominion.
- God cannot do anything on earth without permission from those who have dominion… that is, from us.
God could do nothing on Earth, nothing has God ever done on Earth, without a human giving him access. So he’s always looking for a human to give him power permission. In other words, God has the power, but you have the permission. God has the authority and the power, you’ve got the license. So even though God could do anything, he can only do what you permit him to do.
In Romans 13 we learn – without question – that there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
This concept of God being unable to act without our permission obviously diminishes God and exalts humanity. God, according to Munroe, is powerless to act on His own. This limitation supposedly comes from God Himself. After making this law, He could not change it. According to Munroe and folks like Benny Hinn, God must act in accordance with it. Munroe taught that God was “illegal” on the earth, even to the point of naming the animals. Adam had to name the animals, he said, because God did not have dominion:
He could not name those animals because He is illegal.
Munroe taught that God wanted to do things, but could not. The Bible makes it clear that God is not subject to anyone or anything. For example, here’s what Ephesians 1:20-21 says about that:
“… He raised Christ from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every name that is invoked, not only in the present age but also in the one to come.
If God’s ability to act is limited in the way Munroe taught, then there IS a rule – an authority, or a power – that is above Him. This is unquestionably unbiblical.
The only creature that God gave authority in the earth legally to is a spirit in a dirt body. That means any spirit without a body is illegal on planet earth… even God himself is illegal on earth. Why? Because he is a spirit, and the law he set up by his own mouth was that only spirits with bodies can function on earth legally. That’s why God could not interfere when Adam and Eve was, you know, kind of deliberating on the fruit environment there in the book of Genesis.
This law of dominion extends even to the conviction of sin (one of the things the Holy Spirit does) and the salvation of the lost:
Why can’t God just save everybody? He needs a human agency. That’s why you and I gotta preach. We gotta preach to give God license to literally go and convict that person, to bring them to him.
According to this false idea, God is even unable to ensure that His plans for humanity come to pass. Speaking to Benny Hinn (another false teacher), Munroe said this:
It bothers me, I’m sure it bothered you for years as a pastor, if God is so mighty, powerful, awesome, omnipotent, omniscient, why couldn’t this mighty God who made 500 million planets and galaxies could not stop a skinny little women from picking the fruit to destroy his whole program? I mean, come on God, aren’t you powerful? You can intervene, you can destroy the works of the devil, prevent the woman and save humanity. But he couldn’t. Not that he didn’t, he couldn’t.
Obviously, Munroe did not consider God to be mighty, powerful, awesome, omnipotent, or omniscient. His diminished view of God does not match what we see in Scripture. God has, and has always had, dominion over His creation.
Our God is in heaven;
he does whatever pleases him. Psalm 115:3
Prayer is permission?
Munroe was very clear about the nature of prayer. Rather than a way of communing with our Creator, and a way of asking Him for help, this false teaching claims that prayer is giving God permission to act:
Prayer is man giving God permission, or license, to interfere in Earth’s affairs. In other words, prayer is Earthly license for Heavenly interference.
Our prayer is a strange experience. We normally ask God to do things; God is telling us to command Him permission to do for us.
Heaven depends on earth for interference. If He could just find two people like you and I to agree. We agree for God to do this thing. Then God says, ‘Thank you very much for permission!’ Then He can come.
God is even unable to heal without our permission:
Lord, heal this man. God says, ‘No! No! No! Talk to the sickness, I am already healing the guy. What I need is permission to get the healing on earth.
When a human gets healed and becomes well again, God Himself is able to stay here legally longer.
Prayer is man giving God Earthly license for Heavenly interference. Paul says pray always, and never stop, because when you stop praying, Heaven is locked up. You should pray 24 hours a day… you gotta pray because he wants access constantly. I always wondered why God made the Earth to spin around the sun, and also the Earth to spin. Here’s why, and I believe it’s the wisdom design of God. God designed the planet of Earth in such a way that there will always be humans up, praying. Every 24 hours, a half of the globe is up. That means God will always have 24 hours, constantly, of access. That’s why he says I have sought for a man, I’m looking for somebody, if my people. He says there’s gotta be someone all the time telling me, “interfere, interfere, interfere.”
Jesus didn’t really die?
One of the more shocking things that Munroe taught almost seems minor. He appeared to be clearing up some confusion about what the Bible says, but he was really contradicting a primary New Testament teaching:
The Bible never says that Jesus really died, you know. The word used in the Hebrew is he breathed out. Expired is the word.
First, the Old Testament, written in Hebrew, doesn’t mention Jesus dying or not dying. Only the New Testament mentions Jesus’ crucifixion, and it wasn’t written in Hebrew. It was written in Greek.
Second, the Greek word in question DOES mean “breathed out” or “expired.” Does that mean Munroe was right? No. That’s ridiculous. The rest of the New Testament affirms again and again and again that Jesus actually did die:
- This man was handed over to you by God’s deliberate plan and foreknowledge; and you, with the help of wicked men, put him to death by nailing him to the cross. But God raised him from the dead… Acts 2:22-24
- You see, at just the right time, when we were still powerless, Christ died for the ungodly. Romans 5:6
- But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Romans 5:8
- … if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing! Galatians 2:21
The idea that Jesus didn’t actually die is simply ridiculous. That is, it’s worthy of ridicule. Even atheist scholars acknowledge the historical reality that Jesus died by crucifixion, and every Christian theologian in history says the same. For Munroe to say otherwise is simply unconscionable.
If Jesus didn’t die, then He didn’t die for our sins. If Jesus didn’t die for our sins, we are still lost. If Jesus didn’t die, He couldn’t have been resurrected… and our faith is in vain. In 1 Corinthians 15 Paul wrote this about Jesus’ resurrection:
And if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is in vain and your faith is in vain.
That seems pretty plain. The entire New Testament is based on the idea that Jesus died for our sins, and was raised from the dead. Without that, Paul said, our faith is in vain… or worthless. Myles Munroe claims that Jesus didn’t really die. One might suggest that his faith, as a result, was in vain.
Myles Munroe was a false teacher. I hope that in his last moments he made peace with God. I pray that those who followed his ministry would be as eager and zealous as he was, but for the truth. We find the true gospel, taught by Jesus and handed down once for all by the apostles, in the New Testament.
Notes
- Prayer is giving God permission – YouTube video
- The Bible never said that Jesus really died – YouTube video
See the complete but incomplete False Teachers List
Disclaimer
Don’t bother commenting or emailing me about how I’m just wrong. It’s a waste of your time and mine. If you have something to say, include Scripture. I am far from perfect, and I can be wrong… so I don’t do any of this lightly, and I’m open to correction.
Don’t bother telling me how this person or that person helped you. It’s a waste of your time and mine. Nobody teaches lies and falsehoods all the time. In researching these topics, I’ve heard a LOT that I appreciated, and have been inspired by even those who are otherwise far from the truth. The number of times someone is right is irrelevant to the question of whether they also teach false things. We should appreciate anyone who teaches us the truth, but that doesn’t mean we should uncritically follow them when we see significant problems in their lives, in their ministries, and in their teaching. Neither your opinion nor mine matter here. What matters is what the Bible teaches, and whether those who preach and teach in Jesus’ name are teaching falsely.
If you can provide evidence that one of these people has recanted their false teaching, please let me know. I would love to amend their article to show that they have changed what they teach.
Finally: we who follow Jesus should not consider false teachers our enemies. If they’re not saved, we should pray for their salvation. If they are saved, we should pray that God will lead them to teach only the truth.
See also: a list of Bible Teachers I Can Recommend
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Thanks for this bro!
u are a fool bro. like the devil you have to hide behind whatever it is to tell a lie like your father, you are just immature kid in a grown up suit spreading lies, u r just hurt and living a disappointing life, lord plx help in jesus name amen
Michael:
Ansara means “helper.” Why aren’t you helping? You seem to have not noticed that I used Myles Munroe’s own words here. Clearly, I’m not making things up. If you dislike having someone simply point out what he taught, that’s your problem. If you really think I’m spreading lies, bring receipts. Insulting people doesn’t help anyone. If you’ve been fooled by Munroe’s teaching, I will help you by pointing you to the parts of God’s Word that teach what he would not.
I always thought that everything Myles taught was backed by God’s word. His teachings are the only teachings that explains why God is hardly helping anyone on earth; why there is so much wrong about our habitat. I trust Myles’ teachings. Also, you didn’t offer anything contradicting Myles’ teachings. He teaches what the bible teaches.
Julie:
Thanks for writing! I understand that you trust what Myles taught. I have a simple, serious question for you: what will you do when you see that what Myles taught actually DOES contradict what the Bible says? Will you change your mind? Will you begin a serious study of the Scriptures, to make sure that what you believe is true? Will you turn a blind eye to the evidence, and prefer to continue believing in spite of the evidence? You’re right that my article doesn’t present a point-by-point refutation of his teaching, using Scripture… that’s a reasonable thing to ask for. For most, it’s enough to simply expose what he DID say, as it should be obvious that he taught falsely. For others, like yourself, more evidence is needed.
What would you do with the evidence? Are you willing to stick around and engage in some kind of longer-term discussion about what he taught? I’d be happy to walk through that process with you. Let me know. =)
Hi Mr. Tony! A woman came today on my job. I was wearing a mask that said Yeshua Ha’Mashiach. She said “how do you know about Yeshua?” and I told her “I’m Hebrew! I’m descendant from the Tribe of Gad.” She was amazed. I told her I don’t listen to anyone anymore, because I’ve been misled too many times by preachers, teachers, apostles and prophets!
I only listen to Yeshua my Wonderful Bridegroom and I haven’t been misled since! She mentioned she listens to TD James and this guy named Myles Munroe. I told her “TD Jakes lives in a mansion. I have a huge problem with that!” So, she said “well just listen to Myles you’ll like him.” I looked him up just now on YouTube.
I listened for a few mins. I stoped the video and decided to do some research on him. All I did was type in his name and your website was the first thing that popped up! When these evil people grab many sheep. They’re living in nice vehicles, homes and flying jet planes! It’s all about Tithes and Offerings, which is unbiblical! They will get the penalty that they deserve! You better know it!
At the end of the day! When someone comes against my FATHER Yahuwah. Their coming against me! So you did right by exposing the truth Mr. Tony! It’s shameful to speak of what the ungodly people do in secret! [Ephesians 2:12]
So if you’re wondering where does my money go since I don’t attend any of these non-denomination churches. It goes to the poor and needy, but I don’t let my left hand know where my right hand is doing. [Matthew 6:1-4] Only the FATHER knows what I do in secret to bring His Kingdom glory! We have to test peoples spirits! [1 John 4:1] We even have to test and examine ourselves! [2 Corinthians 13:12]
May the LORD Sabaoth: the Holy One of Israel continue to keep a wall of fire ? around you and those whom you truly love! ????
Izaiel:
First, welcome! I’m glad you commented.
I understand why you “don’t listen to anyone” anymore. There are a lot of people out there simply proclaiming that their opinions are the truth. It’s too common, and the consequences are often severe. Munroe and Jakes both teach contrary to what we see in Scripture, and those who are unfamiliar with Scripture are easily fooled by them. That’s what allowed them to live such extravagant lifestyles. Too often, people just “like” a teacher without wondering whether they’re teaching lies or the truth.
I appreciate your encouragement very much. Have a great day!
I’m willing to do the long-term discussions that it will take for you to present the evidence that this man is a false teacher because what I’m seeing is things that he said taken out of context. I’m not a disciple of his nor do I believe everything the way that he taught it, but we are to test every spirit and the holy spirit will reveal that spirits true nature. I’ve tested his and I want to study with you with meekness and fear of the Lord to understand why you’re making such claims if you so choose to engage with me.
Stacey:
It’s nice to meet you! My response has two parts.
Evidence
I’ve provided several direct quotes from Munroe. They’re his own words, transcribed from video. You’re welcome to discuss whether what he taught is biblical, of course. If they’re taken out of context, then please provide the proper context. I’m confident that there’s nothing in Scripture, for example, to suggest that God lost access to earth when Adam sinned, and that He cannot act unless we give Him permission. I’m confident that, for example, there’s nothing in the Bible to suggest that God can legally stay here longer when someone is healed. If you have evidence that these ideas ARE from Scripture, and don’t CONTRADICT Scripture, you’re welcome to share it. Keep in mind that when two people claim to be filled with the Holy Spirit and then hold contradictory views of God, they can’t both be right… and they must turn to another source of authority for answers. That authority is – without question and without compromise – the Bible. While you may be led by what you feel is the Holy Spirit, He – being God – will never lead you to believe something that contradicts what He has already said is true.
Success
Before you spend any time looking for this evidence, and before you respond to this comment, it would be helpful to ask a very simple question. You’re trying to accomplish something here. Ask yourself this: what does success in this effort look like? If success is clearing Munroe’s name and showing that he wasn’t a false teacher, that seems like a worthy goal. If success is promoting doctrines that you believe, but aren’t in the Bible, that does not seem worth your time. If success is promoting yourself, as some try to do here, it will become obvious and I’ll remove your content.
The most important goal for both of us, in my opinion, is to bear witness to the work of Jesus in our lives, to give God glory for all He has done, to share the gospel handed down once for all, and to seek first God’s Kingdom in all we do. If those aren’t your goals, I would kindly suggest that you take a moment to reassess. After that, please feel free to jump back into the conversation.
Have a great day!
Why are you so defensive in your comment to me? Have I wronged you with my reply? I can’t take your word for it that those are even his words without you proving that they are. So, I ask you, what I success do you seek in labeling this man a false prophet? I’m posting a link so you can here in “his” own words that “God gave Adam dominion over the Earth, but not ownership.” [Edit: link removed]
I await your response and proof for a clear context.
Stacey:
With respect, I’m not being defensive at all. It’s not my style, and I’m just not built that way. I am, however, both very experienced and very skeptical. I don’t believe you’re being entirely straight-forward with me. First you say I’ve taken his words out of context. Now you say you’re not sure they’re his words. Which is it? I can show you that those are his words, without question… but I won’t waste my time if you’re not sincere in our discussion.
I’ve asked you to let me know your intentions… what success would look like in our conversation. Instead of answering, you accuse me of being defensive. I’ll ask again: what’s your goal? My goal is simple: to follow the instructions we find in the New Testament regarding false teachers. We’re to watch out for them, to point them out, to correct them if possible, and to remove them from the assembly if they won’t repent. Myles Munroe is currently dead, so there’s nothing I can do for him. Were he alive, I would be praying for him to acknowledge and teach the truth, and for his audience to know the difference. Almost all of the books in the New Testament warn us about false teachers, so we should take it seriously. Do you?
I’ve removed your link for now. If you will engage with me in a transparent manner about your goal, we can continue. I wish you well.
Wow. My intention is simple. We are very quick to call someone a false teacher. T.D. Jakes I agree, but Dr. Monroe I’m not convinced and I simply wanted to be sure pending solid evidence and not heresay. Heresy is simply belief or opinion contrary to orthodox religious doctrine. By this definition Jesus and all of his Apostles and disciples were considered to be as well according to the New Testament. I won’t assume why you’ve removed my video evidence and accused me of saying you too Dr. Monroe’s statement out of context. My reply is clear and posted. By this I’m not sure there’s much else to say. I pray that everyone who reads these words continually test every spirit that claims to be of God to see if the speak what scripture has revealed
1 John 4. If they don’t line up or offer only personal rebukes, let them be accursed Gal. 1:8-9.
Stacey:
While some may be quick to call someone a false teacher, I am not. I spent more than 20 years studying false teachers before I wrote a single article. I’ve read books, listened to preachers on the radio, watched them on TV, browsed their websites, and more. Maybe you failed to read the very first paragraph on this page. I’ll copy it here for your convenience:
I’m often asked to assess what others teach. I do not do this lightly, but it is necessary. Before reading this page, or any of the pages about specific people, I recommend that you read What is a False Teacher?, which explains what the Bible says about false teachers, and why I would bother to research who they are and what they say.
Maybe reading what I’ve actually written will help you see that I don’t write on a whim. It’s GOOD that you want to avoid gossip. I do too, and I wouldn’t want to bear false witness against anyone.
You say you won’t assume why I’ve “accused you” of saying I took his words out of context? Why, that’s simple. You wrote this: “I’m willing to do the long-term discussions that it will take for you to present the evidence that this man is a false teacher because what I’m seeing is things that he said taken out of context.” That’s why. Your words say that you’re willing to have a mature discussion about these things, but it doesn’t look like you’ve even taken the time to think about what YOU have written… let alone to think carefully about what I’ve written. I’m willing to take you seriously as long as you don’t waste my time. So far, we’ve accomplished exactly nothing beyond you pretending to be offended. Don’t take our disagreement as dislike. I have nothing against you, and consider you my brother in Christ. If you’re going to reply, feel free… but please take the time to review the ENTIRE ARTICLE and to review OUR DISCUSSION SO FAR. Otherwise, I have no interest in spending more time going back and forth with you. I do wish you well, and hope you’re up to the challenge. Have a great day!
You clearly need to read Ephesians and study it, zero in on chapter 1, and ask god to open the eyes of your understanding.
Jason:
While I appreciate your input, it’s not really very helpful. I’ve read Ephesians many times, and I’m pretty sure my Bible says the same things your Bible says. If you could be more specific about the parts of Ephesians I’ve misunderstood, I’d be in your debt. Thanks!
A study of the word of faith teaching does not state what you say, and results in your misleading of the word of faith beliefs. While I would agree that often people of every denomination including word of faith will take things off coarse to please or satisfy their own desires, that does not mean that the roots of the belief is false. That being said if any person mistakenly misquotes a belief are they a false teacher
Rand:
Thanks for writing. You’ve brought up two different things, so I’ll address them separately. First, please explain what part(s) of Word of Faith theology you believe is biblical. Then we can examine both the beliefs and the Scriptures to see if they match.
As for the second, no. Simply being wrong doesn’t make someone a false teacher. Their claim may be in error, but not everybody who is wrong, or who is uninformed, or who makes a mistake is a false teacher. You might take a few minutes to read What is a False Teacher and let me know your thoughts. It’s not always black and white, and we should be very careful about the whole process. In essence, a false teacher is someone who teaches contrary to a foundational truth of Scripture, who is in a position to know better but does not, and persists in teaching unbiblical things.
That would exclude someone speaking in error, or some layperson who simply parrots what they’ve heard without doing their homework. False teachers generally aren’t those who are simply wrong about something.
Word of Faith teachers as a group teach falsely because they make unbiblical claims about the nature of God and the nature of man, then add doctrine on top of those errors. It’s not like a pastor who responsibly teaches from the text but is wrong about one topic. It’s like the teacher who says of their own error, “Since that [unbiblical thing] is true, then these other [unbiblical] things must also be true.” They construct their own doctrinal framework to support their errors, creating an alternate system of belief that doesn’t match what God has said in His Word.
Does that make sense? A mistake is just a mistake. Being wrong is something we all share as humans. It’s not wrong or bad to point out mistakes and errors, of course. Being a false teacher goes to another level, where the areas of error become ‘new revelations’ that must be defended. That shouldn’t be.
Thanks Tony! Your reply makes so much sense.
DR Myles Munroe was a unique great man of God . Of course he may have errored here and there like any other human being but that does not mean he was a false teacher. Myles is one of the greatest Men of God, God chose to propagate the Gospel of the Kingdom of God
I have not heard of anyone who is so knowlegeable about the word of God in the world today
Moses:
Let’s pretend for a moment that what you say is true. Where in the Bible can we find that God “can only do what we permit Him to do”? Is that one of his errors, or is that a false teaching about a foundational truth that affects both our view of God and man?
Sadly, those how LIKE Munroe feel the need to defend him and can rightly point to much of what he taught as truth! In doing so they display emotion, be it loyalty, be it defensiveness, be it pride (of emotional investment in Munroe), etc.
The bible speaks to us all on such issues as we battle with the sinful desires…. “For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their ITCHING EARS want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.”
The fact is that Munroe said the things quoted here and it’s not enough for some investigate because he scratched their ITCHING EARS.
It’s a warning for all of us to be like the Berean’s and to test EVERYTHING.
Munroe’s errors are not simple errors that we might expect from any believer. They are HUGE and FUNDAMENTAL. Teaching Jesus did not die and God’s power is subject to men, is not only false teaching but blasphemy leading off the narrow path. The wages of sin are DEATH. Christ either paid that debt (of death) or the debt has not been paid!
Thanks, Darren.
Miles Monroe is the only message that makes sense and is backed by the Bible.
Myles Munroe isn’t a message, Julie. Thanks for visiting. I wonder how much you actually know about the man, since you’ve misspelled his first AND last name. Do you agree with Myles Munroe that God is unable to do anything on Earth without permission from people like you and me? Do you believe that God can only do what we permit Him to do?
Julie… making statement of your opinion, as you just did, is off little to no value to others, unless you back it up with evidence, scripture or logic.
Care to provide some?
Myles Monroe always backed what he said with scripture.
Julie:
Thank you very much for your reply. I do appreciate it!
Myles Munroe said a lot of things that are true. I point that out in this article, and in What is a False Teacher. That, of course, isn’t the issue. It’s easy to tell when someone teaches false things like “Jesus didn’t exist” or “modalism is true.” It’s harder when people actually use the words we find in the Bible to support their teaching.
There’s a real problem with it, though. Just using Scripture isn’t evidence of anything. Mormons quote Scripture. Jehovah’s Witnesses quote Scripture. Unitarians quote Scripture. Atheists quote Scripture to me regularly. The question isn’t whether someone uses Scripture, but whether they use it in a way that matches the context in which it was written, which includes all of Scripture. Peter pointed out the fact that Paul’s words were often distorted by those who misused them:
Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.
Myles Munroe, along with every other Word of Faith teacher, distorted Scripture. He didn’t simply make a mistake here and there… he twisted the meaning of Scripture and built doctrines on top of his misinterpretations. If you’d like to try to defend things he taught, please do. I’m open to correction, as I’m sure you are.
First, if it hurt you that I misspelled his name, my apologies. Secondly, why are you so angry? And thirdly, I believe that God does use people to bring about activities on earth. He may not need our permission considering He can move on to the next person to bring about His plan. But I understand what Myles meant. So, yes, I agree with him. I never said he was the message. I said his teachings makes more sense than any other teachings I’ve come across and he backs it with scripture.
Julie:
No, it didn’t hurt. You don’t need to apologize. I also wasn’t trying to correct your spelling. Here’s the point: by commenting and disagreeing strongly, you presented yourself as someone who’s better able to assess whether Myles Munroe’s teaching matches God’s Word. You essentially said, “you’re wrong, and you know less than I know about this stuff, so you should listen to me.” Well… if you’re any sort of authority on whether his teaching is biblical, it makes sense that you would at least be familiar with the guy’s name. You’ve misspelled it in two separate comments, in fact… in spite of the fact that the page you’re commenting on shows his name a bunch of times, and in spite of the fact that the comment you replied to also showed his name, spelled correctly. I’m confident you’d have the same response if I said, “Christians follow Jeesuz, the Son of God.”
Second, what makes you think I’m angry? Because we disagree? No, I’m not angry at all. I’m GLAD you’re here, and I want to hear what you have to say.
As for whether you said he was the message, I’m not sure how else to read your comment: “Miles Monroe is the only message that makes sense.”
Finally, it sounds like you’re not sure what you agree with. You say that God does NOT need our permission, but that you understand what Myles meant… so you agree, even though you disagree. Can you clarify? Thanks!
Alas you are living in denial dear sister!
The fact you cannot look into the matter to see what Monroe preached in regard to these matters (Christ didn’t die and God is subject to man) speaks so.
I guess your love and admiration for the man, perhaps born from personal emotional investment, prevents you from such contemplation, but it should be a warning to you.
Darren:
Please be cautious. Thanks!
I don’t feel caution is wise, what’s needed or fruitful when faced with emotive responses that have no substance, construct or evidence.
I choose my words carefully knowing without seeking to cause offense but intending to speak the truth concisely and without ambiguity.
If Julie shows my words are untrue, I will happily reject and seek forgiveness.
Darren:
My point is that you appear to be doing things you’ve already criticized. Here’s your earlier comment:
“…making statement of your opinion, as you just did, is off little to no value to others, unless you back it up with evidence, scripture or logic. Care to provide some?”
Your next response was exactly that. As you can see from already having read the article above, I’m not against speaking the truth, and doing that strongly. Clearly, I seek confrontation by publishing things that make others angry and defensive… so I’m not against conflict. My words were meant to a a gentle reminder that Julie deserves to be treated with respect and kindness, as one who needs help… not as an enemy. The ideas that Munroe spread – and that Julie wants to defend – are biblically ridiculous, but we fight lies and liars, not their victims. That’s all.
Sorry brother, I did not do that!
…do you read…”unless you back it up with evidence, scripture or logic”?
I think I made it clear why I formed my opinion, i.e based on Julie’s failure to comment direct on the evidence you presented.
I don’t think I treated Julie as the enemy by pointing out that she has had several opportunities to directly address the issues presented and has not done so. To some that might seem too direct and I can understand that view without agreeing with it.
Sometimes directness is required, is even the most loving and I judged this to be one of those times. You are free to disagree.
Yes, I am free to disagree. I’m also free to ignore your comments rather than post them. Food for thought. I want you here. If you can’t take a gentle hint, that’s on you.
Your responses and your stated desire to want me here, seem to be in conflict, brother…..
The reference to your power to not post my comments is neither gentle nor respectful.
I’m not sure why I should be minded to “take your gentle hint” or why you felt it necessary give such a hint. Irrespective, the subsequent personal attack and your frankly overt threats are neither honoring to God or the work you have done here on your website… which I believe is commendable.
This is all the more saddening given that my responses were actually only defending your views!
Never mind, Darren. Thanks for visiting.
You have a zeal for God but not according to knowledge therefore you are in error, not knowing the scriptures or the power of God
Book of John:
With respect, bologna. If you’re going to correct someone, bring receipts. If you know something about the Scriptures or about the power of God that I need to know, why wouldn’t you tell me about it? Are you only here to complain, or do you love me enough to help me grow?
You are right Tony in your defense of God’s word. Myles Monroe was a motivational speaker. He would do great if he only taught the principles of discipline, the behaviors of men and women toward each other etc. I found them inspiring. I listened to many of his teachings: I loved his bravado; his confidence. But something was not settling right in my spirit. I asked God one day. “Why is this man dead?” God showed me. I heard what the critics had to say. He was taking Christ out of His own ministry. Jesus Christ says, “I am the way, the truth and the life. No man cometh to the Father but by me.” Myles Monroe is essentially saying that there is another way. He came to his own conclusion. Yes what he taught about Jesus was intelligently masked in falsehood. I can understand why people wanted to believe him. It explains away all the evil that has taken place on earth when God did not stop it from happening. God can stop this whole world in the blink of an eye if He He chooses. He has allowed man his free will to choose for himself. He interferes only when He sees fit. God is the Supreme Ruler of this universe. Man cannot control God. He gave me a vision: I wrote it down in the book called God’s Vision by K.R. Levine. He knows men would have such discussions. He wanted the world to know that there is a marked difference between man and God. Thanks for allowing me to comment. Many will be lost if we do not preach the truth.
A very interesting article but My mind is brought Up to our Lord Jesus himself.He was called a false teacher,a false prophet because His teachings were misunderstood.Which People called Jesus a false teacher,THE saducees and Pharisees(religious group).
THE disciples themselves could not understand Jesus whiles he was with Them,until THE Keys of the understanding of scriptires is given to you,you Will Read but yet never understand.Paul was once a zealous jew who thought he was fighting THE right course until he was interrupted by God in THE Way to Damaskus,may our Search for THE truth brings us to THE divine truth of THE Spirit of God devoid of canal understanding
Welcome, Jozy!
Hmmm. Let me see if I understand. It sounds like you’re saying that because Jesus was called a false teacher but was not, then anyone who calls someone else a false teacher must be as wrong as the Pharisees and Sadducees. Is that what you mean?
I don’t think that’s what you mean. I’m going to guess that what you mean is that some accusations of false teaching might actually be true, and some not. I’m going to go even farther out on this limb and guess that you would agree that the only way to know for sure whether someone is really a false teacher would be to compare what they teach with what Jesus taught. Am I right?
I hope you don’t mind if I ask you a very direct question: do you believe that Jesus actually died? Myles Munroe claimed that He did not, but the Bible says He did. Who do you think is right? Is the Bible false, or was Myles Munroe false?
Just for in case you didn’t know ;we don’t look good by making others to look bad.
Is that how things work? We should avoid doing anything that might make someone look bad? That doesn’t sound right.
I’m sure you’d agree that telling the truth about people who commit crimes will make them look bad, but you probably wouldn’t object to it. The apostle Paul actually named people who taught falsely… would you say the same to him? Believe me: if I wanted to look good, I wouldn’t be writing about false teachers. I’d be telling everybody how awesome they are, and avoiding any kind of criticism at all costs. I get far more disagreement from pointing out false teachers than agreement… but doing so is a duty for Christians outlined in the New Testament. Would you rather I disobey God, or take the hits that come from telling the truth about people who fail to preach from the New Testament?
It would have been good if you added reference points to each of these quotes. That way people could go to the origin of the statement.
http://youtu.be/UKABK6aJnjQ?t=51m25s
Jesus died and rose again. The kingdom of God is at hand.
Thanks, Paul. I appreciate the link. Unfortunately, all this shows is that Munroe was inconsistent. I wish that weren’t the case.
Do you not believe that Christianity itself is pagan in origin? That people on this religion try to use/misuse the “new testament” as a way to usurp the fact that The Most High has a divine plan that he’s using only one nation to see it through with?
La’Taurus:
No, I don’t believe that. Why? Because I read the Hebrew Scriptures. They foretell the coming Messiah. They point to God’s choice to use Israel, and to them breaking covenant with Him. They tell of a new covenant, not like the old. Then, when I see the New Testament, I see that Jesus is the fulfillment of the old covenant. I see that the long-awaited Messiah, for whom Abraham and Moses and Jeremiah waited, has come. As evidence, I see Jesus’ teaching and His miracles. I see devout Jews flipping their worlds inside-out because they saw with their own eyes, and touched with their own hands, the prophecies come to life. I see the wisdom of Solomon surpassed by Jesus. I see the leadership of Moses surpassed by Jesus. I see the devotion of David surpassed by Jesus. I see the miracles from Egypt and Sinai and Babylon surpassed by Jesus.
What do you see? Why do you think that Christianity is a conspiracy by pagans to obscure the truth?
Tony, what exactly in the old covenant did he fulfill?
“Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the Lord. For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people. And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”
Jeremiah 31:31-34 ESV
The new covenant is a future event that is made with a nation, not a religion.
La’Taurus:
Jesus fulfilled ALL of the old covenant. The purpose of the old covenant was to point to the coming Messiah. You’re right: the new covenant, like the old covenant, was made with the nation of Israel… but gentiles – that is, the rest of the world – have been grafted in, like a wild olive branch on a domesticated olive tree. The old covenant is obsolete and has been replaced by a new and better covenant, and – as promised to Abraham – the whole world will be blessed by it. Jesus put the new covenant into force at His death, and many of the Jews in Israel understood that He is the fulfillment of both the promise and the covenant.
So, you’re saying that Jeremiah 31 had been fulfilled?
In context to the old covenant being fulfilled, what exactly was fulfilled? You keep using that word, I would like context, please.
How were you “grafted in?” In order to do so, you’d have to submit to his order, wouldn’t you? I.e.keeping feast days and Sabbath to say the least?
I’m not saying it. Jesus’ disciples said it. I’m just relaying the information. Jeremiah 31 has, at least, begun to be fulfilled.
The old covenant was not an end unto itself. It had a purpose. If the terms of the covenant were the goal, they would never be fulfilled. The old covenant did what it was supposed to do, and it’s no longer needed. That’s what it means to be fulfilled.
Feast days and sabbaths are part of the terms of the old covenant. In fact, God said (in Exodus 31) that the sabbath was the sign of the covenant between Himself and the ancient Israelites. Nobody else was included in that covenant. The new covenant, as Jeremiah pointed out, is not like the old. The sabbath was a shadow of things to come, and pointed to Messiah and the coming kingdom. Now that Messiah has come, and now that the kingdom is here, the sabbath is no longer needed. Taking part in the new covenant does not require taking part in the old covenant, which never included anyone but the ancient nation of Israel.
“Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the Lord.
Jeremiah 31:31-32 ESV
The New Covenant according to this is with who?
Therefore the people of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, observing the Sabbath throughout their generations, as a covenant forever.
Exodus 31:16 ESV
Sabbath is forever
Then everyone who survives of all the nations that have come against Jerusalem shall go up year after year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Booths. And if any of the families of the earth do not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, there will be no rain on them.
Zechariah 14:16-17 ESV
Feast days will still be going on in the Kingdom.
La’Taurus:
You started this conversation with the suggestion that Christianity is pagan. If you believe that, nobody would expect you to agree with the historical, biblical position that the old covenant has been superseded by the new covenant. Why don’t you explain why you think Christianity is pagan, and some kind of conspiracy?
That’s funny. Couldn’t substantiate your belief with Scripture? That’s fine.
The word “conspiracy” doesn’t spook me or galvanize me to move away from facts.
Christianity is repackaged Babylonian sun worship. You don’t keep law statues or commandments. You worship on…Sunday. No one in the books were ever called “Christians.” They were known as ma’amin b’Moshiach or just believers in the Messiah. You celebrate Easter, Christmas, and other pagan days. You don’t keep feast days. You do all this by asserting that “they old covenant is done away with” while SCRIPTURE proves that ALL these things are eternal. This is light, though. It gets heavier.
Yep. You caught me. Nailed it. I have no idea what I’m doing.
In reality, you probably haven’t browsed around GodWords much, and I wouldn’t expect you to. If you did, you’d see only a small portion of the discussions we’ve been having about your exact claims. If you could look at my emails, you’d see even more… more, in fact, than the comments here. You’re not telling me anything new, let alone newsworthy.
Funny how you mention facts. So far you haven’t brought any. You’ve made assertions, and made claims… but let’s not pretend you’ve actually begun to back up your claims with facts that can be substantiated. You’re not making a case, you’re simply being argumentative. That’s okay, to a point… but sooner or later you have to fish or cut bait. You wouldn’t expect me to JUST BELIEVE you, would you? No, I didn’t think so.
For example: you claim that I worship on Sunday. You make this claim without any evidence… and you’re simply wrong. I don’t know what you mean when you say “in the books,” but the Greek christianos appears three times in the New Testament. It literally means “follower of Christ.” In the beginning, it was a term used by others to put down those who followed Jesus. The Didache, likely written in the first century, uses the term as self-identification.
Also, you have no idea whether I celebrate any holidays at all, or whether I keep any feast days. Pretending you know what I do is only pretending. Maybe you’re lumping me in with ‘all the other Christians,’ but that would only show that you really, really don’t know what you’re talking about. Which Christians? Lebanese Christians? Chinese Christians? Peruvian Christians? Ethiopian Christians? You seem to want me to take you seriously, but you’re not showing yourself to be all that serious. Don’t get me wrong: I enjoy a good sparring session. I’m not afraid to back up what I believe, and I’m not afraid of a good challenge. If you want to continue, bring me a good challenge. Use some actual facts that I – and the reading community here at GodWords – can independently verify. Otherwise, you’re just rehashing arguments that many before you have lost.
You the false teacher..that’s why you passing judgment.
Kathy:
Thanks for commenting! I have two very simple questions for you:
I hope to hear from you soon. Have a great day!
This was excellent! Earlier in my walk I thought he was an excellent teacher and expositor. Munroe clearly taught MANY heretical things.i recently heard a teaching of his where he claimed the good news of the Gospel isn’t about Jesus, it’s about the Kingdom. I do hope he was saved, just in deception,because clearly his teaching was not spiritually inspired.
Thank you for your kind words, Jeremiah… have a great day!
When myles stated,the message was not about Jesus, its about the kingdom, think about it (without being “deep”)
He was not saying Jesus wasn’t important, he emphasized on what made him important.
What did Jesus preach?
What did he want us to see with his ministry/life?
Leader:
You’re affirming something Munroe said that you believe is true. That’s fine. Nobody says false things all the time, of course. Do you agree with Munroe that God can’t do anything on earth without permission?
What a senseless write-up. You didn’t say anything reasonable. You wasted your time writing this? Wow! So sad…
What a senseless comment. You didn’t say anything reasonable. You wasted your time writing this? Wow! So sad…
(If you’d like to discuss the details, I’m always available. If you’re only here to whine, I’m usually busy)
Myles Munroe,
Here: The Bible makes clear in Genesis 1:26-28 saying, 26 “And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
What is the real meaning of dominion?
Power, authority, jurisdiction, control, command, sway, dominion mean the right to govern or rule or determine. power implies possession of ability to wield force, authority, or influence.
You see, as far as it concerns earth, God put us in charge.“Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion…” – Genesis 1:26
“Let them” clearly indicates that God gave us the responsibility of dominion. The earth was to contain the same DNA, the very same culture as heaven, but with one very distinct difference: Men were to have dominion over earth and manage it.
“The heavens are the heavens of the Lord, but the earth He has given to the children of men.” –
Dixon:
Thank you for your comments. I’m not going to post four comments, but I will respond to your arguments.
There’s nothing in Genesis 1 to suggest that giving Adam and Eve dominion over the animals also locked God out of the planet. That’s the basis of Munroe’s teaching: that God CANNOT do anything on earth without permission. This is an entirely unbiblical idea, and is contradicted by all of the verses that explain that God can do anything. Genesis and Jeremiah explain that nothing is too hard for Him. Job explains that no purpose of God’s can be thwarted. Myles Munroe said that God couldn’t stop Eve from “destroying his whole program.” That’s not only unbiblical, it’s blasphemous.
You quote Psalm 115:16 – The heavens are the heavens of the Lord, but the earth He has given to the children of men. Giving humans dominion over the earth is not at all the same as losing His own dominion. God has never been locked out of anything, as He created everything. Munroe taught that God made a rule about this, and then had to follow the rule… and that’s why He’s unable to do anything without our permission. First, it’s nonsense. Nothing in Scripture teaches about this supposed rule. Where did Munroe get his info? Certainly not from the Bible. Second, it suggests that God didn’t know the future… that Satan tricked Adam into giving him dominion, and so God had to formulate a plan to get it back. In your words, things seemed to go haywire. Again, unbiblical nonsense. God knows the future, and Satan has never tricked Him. If you claim otherwise, bring Bible verses to show it… but you won’t find them, as they’re not there. Nobody puts one over on God.
As for prayer: yes, we do invite God to do things through prayer. No, that’s not the same as God needing our permission to do anything. We request His help, and He decides what is best. Munroe’s claims about prayer being permission, and that God needs our permission, is heretical and blasphemous. The Bible does not teach it, but Munroe taught as if it was fact. He was wrong.
I do appreciate you writing to me, Dixon. Let me encourage you to not take my word for this, and to not take Myles Munroe’s word for it either. Begin a study of the Scriptures, to see what God has said. Let THAT be your guide. The antidote to bad theology is good theology… and even if you believe you have it right, you’ll only benefit from such a study. Let me know if you need a hand, or a study buddy.
When I was a babe in Christ many years ago I would listen to different teachers and preachers say some things I agreed on and some not. The more I learned from the Word of God the more I came to know who to listen to and who to avoid. As we grow in our Christian life God must be the one who directs our path of learning. Where we tend to fall into error and false teaching is when we stop relying on the Bible as our source as line upon line and scripture backing scripture and change it to one verse being taken out of context and learn to create our own doctrines or follow those who do the same. Paul has warned us many times to be careful of who we listen to and who we choose to follow. This is just as true for today as it was then. If what you hear or read does not line up with ALL of the Bible then you probably need to stay away from it. My best advise for those who are searching, unsure of what to believe, or you are just following blindly the teacher or preacher of your choice because it sounds good, be like the Bereans and get your eyes and your heart in the Word of God ONLY! Dive deep and don’t stop reading and thinking about what you are reading until you find the truth untainted by the thoughts of others. Above all, pray that the Holy Spirit of God will show you!
Mr Tony…when Izaiel…commented up above…you just let him go… to just be …Why.?
What happen to the word that said : for us to not stop congregating….?
Maria:
I don’t feel the need to correct everyone, all the time, about everything. Just most people, most of the time, about most things. =)
You should feel free to reply to Izaiel, if you’d like. Maybe he’ll respond.
I have just watched his video regarding Gen. 1:28 and discussing about dominion. Munroe never said that God cannot intervene anytime in his creation but he said he created man for the purpose to manage what was created. I dont know what is your religious background but you have a pre-concieved idea about interpreting other people.
Glen:
With respect, you are simply wrong. In this video, Munroe says exactly that:
“Prayer is man giving God earthly license for heavenly interference… Paul says pray always and never stop, because when you stop praying, heaven is locked up… you should pray 24 hours a day… because He wants access constantly.” He goes on to say that when Jesus’ disciples fell asleep in the garden of Gethsemane, their sleeping was blocking interference (from God). He said, “… you can pray all night, it gives God access constantly.”
Further: in the same video, Munroe makes the unbiblical claim that God can’t “go just save everybody… He needs a human agency. That’s why you and I (speaking to Benny Hinn) gotta preach. We’ve got to give God license to literally go and convict that person to bring them to Him.” Certainly there’s nothing in Scripture that teaches this.
I don’t know your religious background, Glen… but please let me encourage you to NOT BELIEVE ME. Take the time to compare what I say, what you say, and what Munroe said with what God Himself has said. That’s our only hope of getting things right, and seeing the difference between false teachers and true. Let me know how I can help, my friend.
I have realised that everyone makes error when it comes to scripture interpretation. Mylse Munroe is the only person who made sense. Everyone including you don’t make sense to me except Mylse…
Manners:
Thank you for writing!
If everyone makes errors in interpreting Scripture, then we have no way of knowing who to trust. Tell me: do you believe that God can ONLY do things when we pray and give Him permission? Do you believe we can control God, and keep Him locked out of His creation forever if we don’t give Him access?
Let me encourage you to begin your own study of the Scriptures, my friend. Don’t take my word as truth. Don’t take Myles Munroe’s word as truth, or even your own. Ask God to help you understand, then study. In the New Testament, the Bereans were commended because they listened carefully to what the apostle Paul said… and then they double-checked the Scriptures to make sure that what Paul said was true.
We should do no less. Let me know if there’s some way I can help!
Hello
Thanks for your input. Something to ponder. I do have a few questions, but right now I can only remember one 🙂
According to the Bible, what is the reason God did not intervene when Adam and Eve ate the fruit / sinned?
Blessings
Christy:
I appreciate your question. Here’s the answer: the Bible does not tell us why God did not intervene and prevent Adam and Eve from sinning. We simply don’t know.
Here’s the problem, my friend: Myles Munroe pretended that he knew. Not only did he pretend that he knew the reason, he largely built his teaching on the foundation of this idea. This is a very big problem. We should be careful to say what the Bible says, and to not say what the Bible doesn’t say. Myles Munroe taught – as truth – ideas about God that can’t be found in the Bible. He then compounded his bad idea by adding to it doctrine after doctrine that can’t be substantiated in Scripture.
If I claim that the entire Bible is true, and that God is a pygmy blue hedgehog, you would say I’m nuts… yet Myles Munroe can claim that God can’t do anything on earth without our permission, and some people not only don’t think twice about it, they repeat it as if it’s an amazing spiritual insight. It’s not.
Did you have any other questions, Christy? I want to be helpful to you.
who are u to believe Dr Myles, when even the Pharisees and Scribes were saying Jesus was not the son of God. This spirit is still among us that we judge and mislead those with little faith. The best i pray u to do, is to start yo own ministry and teach the people what u are saying is true rather than standing at the church door of Dr Myles and shout saying run away from that preacher he is a liar.
Joel:
Thank you for writing! I’m happy to discuss this with you.
Who am I? That’s a good question. I could, of course, turn it back on you: who are YOU? I wouldn’t do that, of course… but it shows that your question about me has a problem. You’re judging me for judging Myles Munroe. We BOTH should judge whether ANY teacher has been teaching ANYTHING that is contrary to what God has said in Scripture. The Bereans examined the teachings of the apostle Paul, and were considered NOBLE for it. We should follow their example, and examine what we hear when anyone claims the name of Jesus.
I suspect that you didn’t take my advice, found at the top of this article: read What Is a False Teacher? Had you done that, perhaps you would use a different approach. I hope you’ll join me in examining what you hear and comparing it with Scripture.
Myles Munroe misled those with little faith. That’s why I’ve written this article: because people have come to me, asking whether they can trust his words. My desire to serve them causes me to examine his words, to compare them with Scripture, and to then tell others what I’ve found. I hope you’ll do the same: start your own ministry, and teach the one true gospel to others. Myles Munroe was a false teacher. He may have been a nice man, an amazing man, a sincere man, a fabulous husband, and a good friend… but he taught contrary to Scripture. This is not my opinion, Joel. It’s simply the result of comparing his words with God’s words. You can find exactly what I found, if you only do your homework.
I’m praying right now that you will be wise enough and bold enough to do the same. Let me know if I can help.
It is better that you ask Monroe about your findings so that he can explain himself to your satisfaction, but sad because he is dead now!
Yobo:
I agree with you completely. It would be best to speak directly with every false teacher. Unfortunately, history has shown that they aren’t usually open to those conversations. As we see in the New Testament, that kind of correction was done in the context of the local church. The false teachers were identified by their false teaching, warned, corrected, and – if they didn’t repent – eventually they were no longer welcome in the local congregation.
Today, we face a different problem. People like Munroe and others essentially have had their own church. They started their own ministries, and they own them completely. They don’t have any local accountability about what they teach, as they’re not under anyone’s authority. Because these men and women are independent of any local body, and because they teach a worldwide audience on their own, local church discipline is simply impossible.
I teach. My local church has a head pastor, and a staff of other pastors. Each is accountable to someone, eventually going to the board of elders. The elders represent the congregation. When there’s a problem, anyone can go to an elder to raise the issue. The elders research and discuss the issue, and their job is to make sure that the standards in the New Testament are met. If there’s a problem with the elders, we’re part of a coalition of other local churches for oversight. I taught a class two weeks ago, and something I said caused some confusion. Someone went to the elders to talk about it, and they came to me. Last week, I taught the same class and cleared up the confusion. That’s how it should work. In cases where people like Myles Munroe teach unbiblically, that’s not possible.
Does that make sense?
Tony doesn’t understand kingdom and because of that he can’t hear the truth. I’m afraid Toney is the false teacher here.
Renita:
Like so many others, you seem to only be here to complain. Why not EXPLAIN the biblical view you’re talking about, so others may benefit? I’m not bothered by you calling me a false teacher. You have no evidence except that you disagree with me. If you could SHOW that I’m a false teacher, I will repent and change. Can you do that?
This web page is very disappointing and out of place. The break down of relationship between Yahweh and man is clear. God sends His word through circumstances, the Holy Bible and other believers. When Dr. Munroe spoke about dominion it can from the true living word of our father. The father did give dominion to mankind, He made us in His image to give us power to rule.
I am shocked with the fact that you decided to write about Dr. Myles Munroe in the manner that you have. I would like to see you challenge others such as your T D Jakes, Joel Olsteen, Steven Furtick, or Benny Hinn.
I am not taking away what you believe about what you wrote nor will I try to denounce your confidence. What I will ask you to do is challenge someone who can defend what they speak from the word of Yahweh. I would suggest you to challenge other Powerful Kingdom Men of Yahweh such as Pastor G. Craig Lewis or Pastor Gino Jennings.
For the other readers out there be aware of attention seekers, jealousy and envy. Read the word of Yahweh for yourself. Yahweh will lead you not man.
The enemy comes to steal, kill, and destroy
Warrior for Christ:
I’m disappointed to hear that you’re disappointed. That’s not because I feel I’ve been disappointing, but because it doesn’t seem like you’re taking the Bible very seriously. I don’t say that to be mean or offensive, but only as an observation. First, we’re to know what God has said. Those of us who have studied the Bible do know what God has said, so it’s easy to compare it with what people like Munroe have said. Second, we’re to point out false teaching wherever we find it. You may be disappointed to see that I’ve pointed out this particular man’s false teaching, but what you and I like is irrelevant. Myles Munroe taught things that contradict Scripture, and he also taught things that go far beyond anything Scripture says. We’re to stick with the gospel as it was handed down once for all. Here’s how Jude put it:
Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt compelled to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to God’s holy people.
Do you see that? The gospel doesn’t grow and change over time. The gospel was ONCE FOR ALL entrusted to God’s holy people. That gospel is in the New Testament. Myles Munroe taught tons of things that are not part of what was handed down, so Myles Munroe should not be known as a careful, faithful teacher of the gospel. You say that what he taught about dominion came from God, but you can’t back that up with Scripture. If you could, there would be no need for this article. Yes, God gave man dominion. Yes, we are made in His image. No, God was never locked out of His creation because Satan tricked Adam and Eve, and God didn’t formulate a way to trick Satan in return. That is, quite simply, heretical.
It takes time to write these articles, so I don’t have a ton of them yet… but you can see a list of false teachers here and, yes, I do have an article about the false teaching of Steven Furtick. I find it fascinating that you’ve named those other false teachers, as Munroe would have considered them true. In fact, some of the false teaching I’ve highlighted here came directly from a discussion between Munroe and Benny Hinn. There’s even a link to the video, should you care about the evidence.
You suggest that I challenge someone who can defend what they speak. I challenge YOU, Warrior for Christ. Can YOU ‘speak from the word of Yahweh’? If not, why are you bothering to write to me? If you’re unable, what makes you think you’re qualified to tell me I’m wrong? That seems silly. Don’t be silly. If you belong to Jesus, you belong to me… and I would be in your debt if you could show me – from the Scriptures – how I’m wrong. If you can’t do that – or if you won’t do that – then your comment is a waste of everybody’s time. I’m not going anywhere. Take your time. Build your case. Study the Scriptures and tell me where I’ve missed it. If you can do that, I will (of course) take down this article.
You are just another knowledgeless person who wants to become popular under the banner of Dr Myles Munroe. You are a child and you need understanding to understand this treasure. He never said anything against Bible. Ofcourse Jesus never said to preach himself but He said preach This gospel the gospel of the kingdom of God. What you want to know about nis the kingdom is f God and that’s what he said. No matter what I am glad that I found one of the greatest teacher for this age. I pity for you.
[Editor’s Note: I’m going to go ahead and publish this childish comment because it gives an obvious opportunity to point to the bad theology and biblical ignorance of the typical follower of these false teachers. That may sound harsh, but it’s not really even criticism… it’s an observation. The reason people follow a counterfeit is that they don’t know the difference between the real and the fake. People who study the New Testament and work to understand what Jesus taught and how His followers should live can easily spot a lie. Also of note is that not one single person who complains about the article above has bothered to explain their point of view in light of Scripture. Instead, they just call me names and assume that I have ulterior motives. That doesn’t bother me, except that it’s silly. Wanting to become popular is a common motivator, but I’d rather there was no need to write about false teachers. I don’t do what I do because I love it. I do it because there’s a need.]
“Jesus never said to preach himself but He said preach This gospel the gospel of the kingdom of God.”
You’re right: Jesus never said anything like “preach me.” What did He say?
go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. Matthew 28:19-20
Seems pretty obvious. So obvious, in fact, that His closest followers said these things:
Myles Munroe did not teach what Jesus’ disciples taught. It’s pretty easy to conclude that Munroe wasn’t, then, a disciple of Jesus Christ… and that his teaching didn’t make more disciples, which is what Jesus commanded. Should we talk about the Kingdom of God? Of course… Jesus did, and we should teach what He taught. That’s what His first disciples did, and that’s what all of His disciples – including us today – should do.
“He never said anything against the Bible.”
Nonsense. Myles Munroe taught all kinds of things that aren’t in the Bible, and he taught many things that contradict the things that are the Bible. Most of the quotes I’ve used here are things that he claimed are true but match nothing we find in Scripture:
… and so on. As for contradicting the Bible, that one’s pretty easy:
First, any biblical account of Jesus dying (or not dying) wouldn’t be in Hebrew. It would be in Greek, as with all New Testament documents. Why wouldn’t Myles know that? Second, why would they bury Him if He wasn’t dead? Finally, here are a few verses – right out of the Bible – that tell us plainly that Jesus died. Myles Munroe claimed that the Bible never says that Jesus really died.
I could go on and on and on and on and on. There are only two options: either Myles Munroe didn’t know that the Bible clearly says that Jesus actually died, or Myles Munroe was a false teacher who taught things that contradict Scripture. If he was ignorant, he shouldn’t have been pretending to be an authoritative teacher of the gospel. If he wasn’t ignorant, then he believed and taught a false gospel… and those who follow him are being led into error. Let’s take one final look at Scripture. It’s 1 Corinthians 15:3-8. It’s the passage that virtually every scholar – both religious and secular – believes is the oldest Christian creed, going back to perhaps a year after Jesus died:
For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, and that he appeared to Cephas, and then to the Twelve. After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers and sisters at the same time, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep. Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles, and last of all he appeared to me also, as to one abnormally born.
I hope that this information will be beneficial to you, chrysolite Benedict Kay. The only way it can be helpful is if you’re able to say that you trust the plain and obvious truths of Scripture to ANY PERSON’S teaching. You say that Myles Munroe never said anything against the Bible. I could show you literally hundreds of obvious examples where that’s not true. Please: abandon your allegiance to false teachers and surrender yourself to the truths that we find in Scripture. The prosperity gospel is false. Munroe’s teaching on “kingdom” is false. Take the time to read the New Testament for yourself and see for yourself. Don’t trust me. Let these verses be a starting point toward your new life of following Jesus more closely.
Let me know how I can help.
I suggest you start your own ministry to teach the truth if you think Dr. Myles Munroe’s are false. Why not make it an internationally recognized ministry like him. Dr. Myles has paid huge price to get to that depth to get the revelation of the word of God. All your arguments are all centered around attacking Dr. Myles and no message of revelation presented. Please repent and move to other areas of ministering the word of the Lord.
James:
First, thanks for writing. I do have my own ministry. Every Christian should. Maybe the only article you saw here was about the false teaching of Myles Munroe. Maybe you didn’t realize that people from around the world have been asking me questions about God and the Bible and Christianity for decades, and that GodWords is where I share the answers with the world. I get emails almost every day, asking for help. Some of those emails were from people wanting to know whether Myles Munroe was a responsible Bible teacher… someone they could trust to help them grow in Christ. How could I turn them away?
I don’t think Myles Munroe was a false teacher. I know Myles Munroe was a false teacher. How can I know this? It’s easy: by comparing what he taught with Scripture. You should do the same for me. I say “for me” because I’d like to know where I’ve missed the mark. If I’m wrong, I need someone to point it out so I can change and grow and make sure to not teach errors or repeat lies. Please feel free to read more on GodWords and let me know – like a Berean – where you think I could improve.
Let me ask you a question, my friend: do you believe that God is unable to do anything on earth until He gets permission from humans first? Do you agree with this statement from Munroe?
God could do nothing on Earth, nothing has God ever done on Earth, without a human giving him access.
If you do, please provide some Scriptures to show that it’s true. If you can’t, please repent and begin a serious study of God’s Word. Let me know how I can help.
It’s sad seeing you write such about Myles Munroe. It shows how we think we know but know so little. I will explain that statement to you.
In the book of kings, God’s intention for Israelites was to be their God, ruler and king. He led them out of Egypt via a prophet and brought them to the land of Canaan after so many years.
Point 1- all through th years of the Israelites wandering before the time of Samuel who was their king? I don’t think they have a king
Point 2 – why did God wait for moses to come back after staying with Jethro to deliver the Israelites from pharaoh?
Point 3 – why did God allowed Saul to be king even when that was not his intention?
An answer to these questions would give you better understanding.
This falsehood you are talking about is the concept of will.
Myles Munroe didn’t say God is incapable as you project it what he meant is God’s purpose is limited if he didn’t get your will in line with his. There are many exceptions to this teachings that’s based on prophecy or divine agenda just like King Cyrus in the book of Isaiah. This shouldn’t be falsehood if you truly understand God’s dealing with mankind.
Please, if you have personal hatred for Myles Munroe let us know stop tarnishing his image he built with so much energy and dedication.
Also, be apologetic with accurate understanding.
Dear Anonymous:
Thank you. You’re the first person to attempt to make a biblical defense of Myles Munroe here on GodWords. Unfortunately, your attempt seems to fall a bit short. I do appreciate it, though.
>> Myles Munroe didn’t say God is incapable as you project it what he meant is God’s purpose is limited if he didn’t get your will in line with his.
No, anonymous person. That’s not what he said. Here’s what he said:
Myles Munroe clearly taught that without our help, God is INCAPABLE of doing what He wants to do on Earth. That is false teaching.
>> Please, if you have personal hatred for Myles Munroe let us know stop tarnishing his image
No, anonymous person. I have no hatred for Myles Munroe. You should read more carefully. Here (again) is what I wrote about him in the article above:
You also probably didn’t read What is a False Teacher? either. It’s no wonder you would suggest that I hate the man. I do not.
What do I hate? I hate false teaching. Why? Because it leads people away from God, rather than toward God. THAT is the reason that the New Testament warns again and again and again that some will teach falsely. If there’s no danger, there’s no reason for concern. I’m sure you would agree that eternal life is important, and that Heaven is better than Hell… so let’s agree that ANY false teaching is bad.
Tell me, friend: do you believe that Jesus never really died? Please feel free to comment again. Have a great day!
Frankly, it’s sad the number of critical, often personalised comments are aimed at the author, without any serious rational or biblical support…
It’s astonishing that so many people think their view else their emotion is somehow tremendously valuable to others and, therefore, doesn’t need any substantiation.
Please, disagree, disagree with passion, but at least have the intellectual integrity to bring logic and scripture to the party or save yourself and others the time
You sound like a teacher. I appreciate the effort you put in to decipher and divide the Word of truth. So, I don’t know much about Myles Monroe, but I would implore you to first check yourself before being quick to point out anything false in someone else and calling them out as false. Careful with naming names. Guard against being Pharisaical. 2Cor3:6 -the letter of the law kills, but the spirit gives life. Any true minister of the gospel must ensure spoken rhema words lines up with the written logos word or preface as your own personal POV and still searching. And it’s probably better to not go there if you don’t know. Paul named names as he was an apostle. The people he called out were doing great harm to his ministry as he was following God through our Lord Jesus Christ. He did call out names. Are you an apostle? If you are, I’m wondering if you try to reason with someone before calling them out publicly?
Much more out-of-the-box thinking, and preaching is needed now. We have very badly lost the younger generation because the church has not been relevant. Much revelation in the word has not yet been revealed because the church is not mature enough to receive it. Leaders and saints. I believe this is going to change soon. Mistakes probably will be made where accuracy should be ensured. Be a builder of the kingdom. Much more needs to be done. Myles Monroe is no longer here. Our God is not always logical Ps 115:3. And uses the foolish things of this world to confound the wise. I sense that you want to do the greater works we’re called to.
Jeffrey:
Thanks for writing. It occurs to me that you may not have followed the suggestion at the top of the article, to read What is a False Teacher? That should help address some of your valid concerns.
To answer your questions (most of which are answered in that article): Yes, I do check myself first. Always. Yes, I am careful about naming names. Yes, I guard against being like a Pharisee. Yes, I’m careful to take my words and concepts from clear Scripture. Yes, Paul named names. No, one doesn’t need to be an apostle to do that. Did Paul have some special insight or protection that you and I don’t have? I don’t think so. An apostle is simply one who was personally involved with Jesus during His earthly ministry, and Paul was the one exception. Nobody alive on earth today is an apostle. Does that mean nobody should ever name names? Of course not.
The letters in the New Testament were written to local congregations, and they were generally to be circulated among the other churches. While some claim that pointing out false teaching should only be done locally, that’s not what happened in the New Testament… and it’s virtually impossible today. Most false teachers aren’t part of a local Christian congregation. Most own everything related to their ministry, including their churches. For that reason, there’s little local accountability for them, if there’s any at all. When a teacher broadcasts around the world, dealing with their false teaching in-house does not solve the problems that we’re instructed to solve in the Scriptures. My website, for example, has been viewed in every country and world area for decades. I should be scrutinized, and held accountable to the believing public. While it’s good to come to me personally with complaints and suggestions, as you have, false teachers are usually unwilling to engage with a stranger online. For example, I’ve tried to contact Joel Osteen… not to point out false teaching, but to alert him to a potential death threat. No response. That’s the way things are today so, unless one actually has contact with a false teacher, the only remedy is publishing the facts. I wish it weren’t so.
I sincerely appreciate your comment, brother. As a father and former youth leader and pastor, and as a teacher and writer, I’m concerned about making sure that the church teaches what we find in the Scriptures. As I see it, the reason most churches are dying, or are irrelevant, or are ineffective, is simply that we’ve strayed from God’s Word. Generally speaking, we don’t teach Scripture carefully, and we don’t disciple well. My goal is to change that, in all of the small ways that God has equipped me to do so. Thank you for your encouragement!
I think the idea that the author of this article is not necessarily understanding is that Yes, there is no precise scripture that says God cannot act without man.(Even though there actually is one I’ll share here) However, zooming out and looking at the Bible as a whole, one could make the inference that Myles was correct. How? Because anytime God was about to act He always sought out a willing vessel. Abraham, Moses, The Prophets, Paul, etc.. What Myles went on the explain about that issue is that it doesn’t diminish God’s power or sovereignty because God Himself is the one who chose it to be that way. It’s actually a testament to God’s holiness and integrity. He said let them have dominion over the earth. God has to honor His own words at all times because He cannot lie. A human example of this is if I tell my son he’s in charge of a project then I come back and interfere. In that case it wouldn’t matter that I’m Dad.I have violated my own word. Which is why scripture tells us God has placed His word above His name. Oh and there are a few verses that show God not moving without man but since this is based around Genesis I’ll keep it there.
Genesis 2:5 Now no shrub of the field was yet on the earth, and no plant of the field had yet sprouted, for the LORD God had not sent rain upon the earth, and there was no man to cultivate the ground.
Notice the correlation between God not sending rain for vegetation to grow and the lack of a man to cultivate the ground. God is all powerful why not cultivate the ground Himself??
Mike:
Thanks for writing! There’s no question that God sometimes waits for people to do things. However: that’s not what Munroe claimed. He claimed that God CANNOT do ANYTHING on Earth unless a human being gives Him permission. This is not only unbiblical, it’s heretical.
You say that God has to honor His word because He cannot lie… but, at the same time, you’re defending the idea that God did not know ahead of time what would happen in the Garden. As I’ve shown in the article above, Myles Munroe claimed that God couldn’t stop a ‘skinny woman’ from – and I quote – “destroying His whole program.” Do you believe God was ignorant about what would happen? Do you believe that the serpent tricked God, blindsiding Him with his sneakiness? No, that’s the opposite of what we see in the Bible. Take a look at Revelation 13:8. Jesus’ death was planned before Adam and Eve disobeyed. God knew it would happen, and had already planned for it. Eve didn’t destroy His whole program… and those who claim that she did are simply teaching a lie.
Hello Brother! Im just asking. Do you believe God called you to the ministry to call out what you believe is false doctrine? I say this respectfully. It’s not what you do it’s how you do it. You don’t realize how this website can confuse people that’s seeking salvation. I come to realize God meet people right where there are. It’s like trying to teach a 1st grader college work. They are not mature enough to understand. Let me ask you this? Do you think Dr Myles Monroe is in hell because of the things he talt? Please forgive me if you feel like im trying to attack you. I wish we could have talk privately. Let me give you this truth. God is going to have court with every person based of their belief. It’s like when Adam and Eve fell in the garden. God went to Adam 1st concerning Adam only. He question Adams act based off of what Adam knew. Then he went to Eve. He didn’t have court with both of them at the same time. There’s a reason for that. Have it may have occurred to you that the flood could have been a result because no one got along to work together for the vision of the Lord? Now I didn’t get that out the Bible. But I come to realize when something doesn’t come together we tear it down and start over. Now that my thoughts. I discovered when you begin to study God’s word you begin to question a lot of peoples ministry that you used to listen to. I don’t think what they said was false teaching I just believe the way they explained it is not the way that you received it but if you had a chance to talk to them you probably be on the same page. I could be wrong. I found out God move though obeying Laws. So if someone is teaching manipulation on something, that is true, I don’t receive them. And I’m able to do that because of discernment. Truth be told you’re searching for God’s truth just like everyone on this website is I would like to believe. I don’t care how much you clam to love God. It’s a person action that really pleases God. This how radical i am about our KING. You can give me something you believe God gave you. Im not going to believe it because you shared it. But if it’s in alliance with what I believe and been seeking. We good. Thank God for meeting you. Im trusting on God to put the Right people in my path. I let go a long time ago on following a man passion without seeing his sacrifice for his vision. We can easily misunderstand the writing of any author, if he’s not here to give you an understanding of what he meant in the passage because he’s not here we just assume that he is teaching something thats not correct. No disrespect but I disagree with the way that you’re handling things only because we have people that’s really really trying to find there way.
Ricky:
First, thanks for writing. I appreciate your kind and thoughtful tone. Your comment is long, so I’ll take each part one at a time.
>>Do you believe God called you to the ministry to call out what you believe is false doctrine?
I have, in fact, been called to the ministry… but I don’t believe that matters for most things. God called me to ministry almost 37 years ago, so this is something I’ve thought quite a bit about. Do you believe that one must be called to the ministry to call out false teaching? If so, where does this belief come from? It’s certainly not in the New Testament. In fact, I see very little about being called to the ministry at all. It mostly means that a person believes God wants them to pursue ministry as their job. It doesn’t separate the called from the rest of the Body of Christ in any spiritual way. There’s no spiritual difference between those who make their living in ministry and those who do not. So, let’s address the important question: does the Bible suggest that only the called should be pointing out false doctrine? No, it doesn’t.
>>You don’t realize how this website can confuse people that’s seeking salvation.
With respect, you don’t know what I realize and what I don’t. I’ve been running GodWords for over 20 years, and many thousands of people have written to me personally to ask questions… that doesn’t include the many thousands who leave comments like yours (which are also very important). Why do people search the internet and ask strangers their most important questions? It’s because they want answers. Almost everything on GodWords is an actual answer to an actual question from an actual person who asked me for help. I have no doubt that what I’ve written may confuse some people, sometimes. That’s not what I want, of course… but the way to never confuse anyone is to never say anything. I’m simply trying to show people where the answers are. Would you suggest that I stop?
>>It’s like trying to teach a 1st grader college work. They are not mature enough to understand.
Yes, that’s often the case. However: how do people mature, so they CAN understand? Clearly, it’s by reading Scripture and talking with more mature believers about following Jesus closely. Should we avoid teaching because some have to work hard to understand? I wouldn’t think so. Also – believe it or not – many of the millions who have visited GodWords ARE mature enough to understand, and simply need to discuss the ideas with other mature believers. Not everyone who reads what I write is a spiritual child.
>>Do you think Dr Myles Monroe is in hell because of the things he talt?
I don’t see anything in Scripture to suggest that. What do I see in Scripture? That we’re to point out false teaching, we’re to confront false teachers, we’re to remove them from the fellowship if they’re unrepentant, and that Heaven is reserved for those who are born again by submitting themselves to God. Neither you nor I know whether Myles Munroe was born again, and we shouldn’t pretend that we do.
>>I wish we could have talk privately.
Me too! I’d buy you lunch.
>>Have it may have occurred to you that the flood could have been a result because no one got along to work together for the vision of the Lord?
Um… no. With respect, Ricky: you really should look this stuff up. The answers are right there in the text. The Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And the Lord regretted that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him to his heart. So the Lord said, “I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the land, man and animals and creeping things and birds of the heavens, for I am sorry that I have made them.” God didn’t flood the earth because people didn’t get along. He did it because of the evil and wickedness in those alive at that time. Please don’t compare me pointing out false teaching with evil and wicked people.
>>I found out God move though obeying Laws.
This is a confusing sentence. I’m not exactly sure what you mean. If you mean that God obeys laws, you’re simply wrong. Who makes laws that God must follow? Nobody, of course. Does God make laws that God must follow? That’s a silly idea, to be honest. That idea suggests that God thinks one thing, then thinks another, and reminds Himself that He must follow the law that He made before. That’s not the God we see in the Bible. That’s some lesser being that doesn’t actually exist. Unfortunately, Word of Faith teachers always demote God from the perfect, all-knowing being that He is into something only slightly more than human. Myles Munroe did this, and it sounds like you may have followed in his footsteps. God does not follow laws, nor does He need them.
>>We can easily misunderstand the writing of any author, if he’s not here to give you an understanding of what he meant in the passage because he’s not here we just assume that he is teaching something thats not correct.
Yes, misunderstanding CAN lead to disagreement. No, let’s not pretend that you’ve understood Myles Munroe and I haven’t. We have plenty of proof that he taught falsely. I’ve presented a tiny fraction here, to let people know they should be careful about following those who contradict the clear teaching of Scripture. Do you really believe that Eve destroyed God’s whole program? Myles taught that, and it matches what other Word of Faith teachers say. No, there’s no misunderstanding when we compare what one says with what God has said in the Bible. With respect – and I mean that – the only people I see suggesting that false teachers are misunderstood are those who haven’t actually studied Scripture. With respect – and I truly do mean that – it seems you may fall into that group. Please don’t take that as an attack, as I’m not attacking you. I’m suggesting that part of your disagreement with me comes from not having studied what the New Testament says about false teachers, and about how Christians should respond when confronted with false teaching. Let me encourage you to actually begin a study on that topic… the New Testament has a LOT to say about false teachers.
You seem to be saying that I should not have told the world what Myles Munroe taught, as 1) they’re immature, 2) I’m doing it wrong, and 3) I’ve misunderstood him. Believe me, I’d rather not NEED to write about false teachers. I’ve only done so because people have asked whether this teacher or that teacher can be trusted. Could I be wrong? Of course… and, if I’m wrong, I would be in your debt if you could correct me. So here’s the question, my new friend Ricky: will you? Will you be able to walk me through the Scriptures and show me where I’ve gotten it wrong? Will you help me in this way, since I’m asking you for help? Are you prepared to explain – from Scripture – how Myles Munroe was right and I’m wrong?
If so, let me know. I’ll take as much time to learn from you as you’re willing to spend teaching me. What do you say?
Sadly, you have obviously NEVER studied this for yourself. You seem as if you would rather stay rooted in your RELIGIOUS dogma. A careful, prayerful and Holy Spirit lead study for YOURSELF would perhaps open your eyes to the truth……if you even believe in the Holy Spirit. As it says any fusions chapter 1, I pray that God, the god of our Lord Jesus Christ the father glory may give to you the spirit of wisdom and revelation, in the knowledge of him, as he asked if your understanding will be enlighten that you may know what is the hope of his colon what are the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the Saints and what is the exceeding greatness of his power toward us you believe, according to the workings of his mighty powers, which he worked in Christ when he raised him from the dead and see him and his right hand in heavenly places For above all principalities and power, and might Enderman him in every name that is named, not only in this age, but also in that which is to come . Jesus can’t be a king without a kingdom and you can’t have a kingdom without a king. The Bible says he is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him. I would suggest you read Mark chapter 1 verses 14 and 15 and don’t read into it. You’re a Christian doctrine read what it says and believe what it says because your salvation depends upon it. I love you with the love of Christ. God bless you.
William:
I appreciate you taking the time to write to me. I don’t really appreciate you pretending that we disagree because I’m ignorant, or because I’m uncritically dogmatic about the things I’ve been taught. I doubt you’d appreciate me approaching you that way, so let’s dispense with the insults and assumptions and simply deal with the issues with respect and compassion. What causes me to write about false teachers is not anger or a desire to be right, but compassion for those who have already come to me with questions. I would hope that you could come to me and, while disagreeing, come with compassion… to serve me, not to condemn me.
I’d like to be abundantly clear in my response. I’ll bet that if we set our Bibles side by side, they would each contain the same words. I’ll also bet that, generally speaking, you and I are both familiar – in general – with what the Bible teaches. Not everything, certainly, but the big stuff at least. Finally, I’m also willing to bet that you and I are equally concerned about pointing out false teaching and obeying true teaching. If that’s the case, then our disagreement is not based in what God’s Word says. Instead, our disagreement must be about one or two things, or both:
Does that make sense? That seems to be the basis of our disagreement to this point. Right?
So: if we want, we can work together to clear up our disagreement by addressing what Myles Munroe actually said. If it’s in Scripture, we can study the passages to learn whether he handled them appropriately. If it’s not in Scripture, we should at least acknowledge that it’s not in there, and assess those statements based on what God DID say. If you would, please take another look at what Munroe has actually said, and be as specific as possible in addressing it:
God could do nothing on Earth, nothing has God ever done on Earth, without a human giving him access. So he’s always looking for a human to give him power permission. In other words, God has the power, but you have the permission. God has the authority and the power, you’ve got the license. So even though God could do anything, he can only do what you permit him to do.
Please, if you can, point me to the passage(s) that directly and specifically teach anything even remotely like what he said. This statement makes claims about God and His ability, about man and our ability, about our relationship with God, about who’s dependent on whom, and more. Those seem like a pretty big deal, and something that we should work to get right.
Now, please read this next part very carefully.
If your response does not include the actual Bible verses that back up Munroe’s claims, it must include your acknowledgement that those verses don’t exist. Otherwise, I won’t publish your response. Perhaps you think that’s a bit harsh… but you put yourself in this position. You claimed that I’m ignorant, having never studied this for myself. I could list my credentials, my experience, and get into dueling reputations… but that’s how the world fights. This isn’t about your supremacy or mine, William. This isn’t a battle between you and me. This is simply a search for the truth, and anything else is a distraction. Myles Munroe said those words, and claimed a whole bunch of stuff about God with them. That’s just one statement, but it’s a great place to start. Deal with his words, back them up with clear Scriptures, or admit that he taught things that aren’t in the text… if you can.
If you can’t, I have little doubt this will be our last interaction on the subject. Do me a favor, will you? Surprise me?
Genesis 1:26-28………..VERY SIMPLY PUT…….LET “THEM” have dominion…. [Edited]
William:
I’m not going to publish all of your comments. Why? Because you annoy me. Why am I annoyed by you? Well… here’s a list of irrelevant assumptions written by you, about me, so far:
That’s quite a list, William. It’s actually pretty interesting how wrong you are. Not just a little wrong, but entirely wrong.
It’s noteworthy that none of that has anything to do with what Myles Munroe taught, or with anything found in Scripture. To make your point, you obviously feel the need to diminish me personally, rather than explain the plain meaning of Scripture. At one point you’ve called me “brother.” You’ve given me reason to doubt your sincerity in that regard. A good-faith discussion is a great benefit. Should you seek a good-faith discussion, I’ll be here when you’re ready. Until then, I’m going to say goodbye for now.
Have a great day!
PS: the part about God giving man dominion is biblical. The rest is not: the idea that God is powerless to do what He wants without our permission isn’t biblical. The idea that Eve messed up God’s plan because He was powerless isn’t biblical. It’s simply unbiblical nonsense, which is what makes Myles Munroe a false teacher.
If you’re a Christian and follow Christ, the Bible is the ultimate true. So as a red flag with someone comments, this guy is the only one who taught whatever. God will never give one individual man the ultimate power to be truth.
And I think this documentation was presented correctly in reference to scripture, which is the baseline. And if scriptures change or twist it, then it’s a lie. Which, unfortunately, he did making it look like good, but clearly was not God.
Thank you for sharing this with us Tony
Thanks. Keep it up brother.
Thanks, Alvin!
I can appreciate this article. The first time I read it a few months ago, I didn’t finish because I was too defensive to listen.
However, I care deeply about hearing the truth from scripture and I want to make sure that those I follow are accurately representing God’s word. That said, I wonder, does being wrong on one or two issues make one a “false teacher”? I try to be very careful in using this title to describe others. As you mentioned before, Munroe did teach a lot of true things and I personally believe he did what God called him to do.
My only issue is I wonder if context here was misunderstood because Munroe failed to correct misspoken words, maybe he didn’t even realize it. In several teachings He talks at length about Jesus’ death on the cross. To take one moment where he said “Jesus didn’t really die” I think what he meant was that Jesus wasn’t “killed”. Which he wasn’t. The Bible says he expired which means he gave up his life. This seems to correspond with John 10:17-18. Jesus laid His life down voluntarily to take it up again. I believe Munroe makes this point but not in the sermon you included, and I can’t remember which one it is myself.
I do agree with the bit about prayer to an extent. I think it’s important to include the quote he began that sermon with by St. Augustine “Without God, we cannot; without us, God will not”. I think Myles point was the same as Augustine’s: that prayer is a partnership with God, not that God is somehow incapable of performing without man. I admit the way Munroe taught it though, it does come across as a bit arrogant and I can see how falsehood can easily be derived from it.
Charles:
Thank you for your thoughtful comment! I’m happy to read it… not because you came back to reread the article, but because you’re so concerned about knowing the truth. That’s awesome!
No, being wrong doesn’t make one a false teacher. That would mean that everyone is a false teacher, as I’m sure nobody has everything 100% right. It might be helpful to read What is a False Teacher? and see that this can be a difficult question. As I’ve written there: making mistakes, or simply being wrong, does not automatically make someone a false teacher.
It’s possible that Munroe misspoke about Jesus not dying, and it’s possible there’s more to it than what I’ve seen. I can’t rule that out. At the same time, we shouldn’t ignore when someone says “the Bible says” or “the Bible doesn’t really say.” They’re either correct or incorrect. Was Myles Munroe correct or incorrect when he said that the Bible never says that Jesus really died? Clearly, he was incorrect. Anybody reading the New Testament can see this again and again. I wish I could find the full video, to see more context. If you can help with that, I’d be grateful.
As for his mention of Augustine, there’s a gigantic difference between the two. Augustine wrote that without us, God WILL NOT. That’s worth considering, of course. God has chosen to use us, to work through us at times, and to – in some sense – partner with us to accomplish His purposes. Munroe didn’t teach that. Munroe didn’t slightly alter that. He didn’t use that as a starting point. Instead – as many Word of Faith teachers do – Myles Munroe taught that God CAN NOT.
I hope you can see the difference between WILL NOT and CAN NOT. The first expresses no inability on God’s part. Rather, it expresses that God could do something on His own, but chooses not to. Munroe taught again and again that God’s ability is limited, and that He must depend on us. This doesn’t just appear false. It is entirely false. If Munroe were the only teacher who taught this, one might consider it a quirky way of expressing things that’s easily misunderstood. Unfortunately, he’s not the only one who taught this. It’s fairly standard Word of Faith theology that God gave His dominion to man, who was tricked by Satan, who was tricked in return by God into giving dominion back to man, who must then give permission to God before He can do anything. Because his teaching on the subject matches so many others, who all point back to a couple of men for these ideas, we must not treat it as some kind of anomaly, but as the foundational idea behind most Word of Faith teaching.
This kind of idea isn’t isolated in Word of Faith circles, and it’s not isolated in one area of Munroe’s teaching. As quoted in the article, here he speaks of God’s inability to prevent the Fall:
… why couldn’t this mighty God who made 500 million planets and galaxies could not stop a skinny little women from picking the fruit to destroy his whole program? I mean, come on God, aren’t you powerful? You can intervene, you can destroy the works of the devil, prevent the woman and save humanity. But he couldn’t. Not that he didn’t, he couldn’t.
I’m very happy to see that you’re doing your homework, Charles. We should all do the same. I want you to understand that if I could sit with Myles Munroe, I would probably like him, and we would agree on many things. This isn’t a personal attack against a man I dislike… not at all. The point of writing about Munroe is that the New Testament clearly tells us to point to the truth and to point out the falsehoods. The ideas taught by Munroe and other Word of Faith teachers are dangerous, as seen by those who have been disillusioned about God by believing false teaching. It’s good that Munroe said many true things. I have no doubt that Hymenaeus, Alexander, Philetus, and Demas also said many true things, but the apostle Paul still called them out when they spoke falsely.
I hope you understand that my motivation is to simply point people to Scripture. Anyone who knows what the Bible says can spot false teaching. The problem is that most people won’t read their Bible for themselves, or false teachers would have no audience. Because so many have asked me to comment, I feel compelled to help them. I hope I’ve been even a little bit helpful to you, my friend… and I hope that you’ll continue searching the Scriptures for yourself, comparing what Munroe and every other teacher has said with what God has said.
Here is the missing link: “THE HOLY SPIRIT”. That is all that is needed to shed light on the perversive misconceptions in Christendom. Please do not commonize this!
At Tony, good to see you have good knowledge of what is contained in the Scripture, but I think we do not ONLY need the sword of the Spirit (Ephesians 6:17) or the word of God, but the Holy Spirit who is the ultimate source of the word of God and the best interpreter of the Scripture. Please think deeply about these things.
JayT:
You are, of course, correct. God Himself, who dwells in everyone who is born again, does guide and convict and illuminate. However: you might be shocked to see how many contradict Scripture but claim to know the truth because they “have the Holy Spirit.” Too often, that’s a substitute for being devoted to the apostles’ teaching (Acts 2) and correctly handling the word of truth (2 Timothy 2). It often looks like this:
I’ll be blunt here: anytime someone claims that the Holy Spirit has confirmed for them something that contradicts clear passages of Scripture, they’re wrong. It’s incredibly common, unfortunately. Essentially, they’re saying “God told me this in my heart, where you can’t see or hear or know what really happened but you should trust me and change your beliefs because God told me this personally.”
The only effective way to address false doctrine is to appeal to some kind of common ground… something both parties agree with. For those claiming to be Christian, that common ground is usually the Bible. Your Bible says the same things my Bible says, so it’s pretty simple to point to what God has said as a way to correct misunderstandings and false teaching. You and I agree that the Holy Spirit IS the missing link in all of these discussions… but nobody is in a position to challenge false doctrine that way. We’re left with the objective truths of Scripture as our primary means of pointing out false doctrine.
Make sense?
Hi all,
I kinda wish bro Tony would have disabled the comment section because I’m sure LOTS of time and energy and pain was experienced DEFENDING CLEAR EVIDENCE of false doctrine.
What amazes me is that bro Tony litterally quoted Dr. Monro WORD FOR WORD and STILL some will not believe.
Let me tell you WHY people CANNOT SEE the truth.
It’s because GOD JUDGED THEM and HE BLINDED THEM so they will be destroyed because when the TRUTH kept coming to them, they kept REJECTING THE TRUTH.
I say to those of you whom GOD HIMSELF BLINDED because you didnt want HIS TRUTH, I say to you: REPENT, REPENT yee therefore and be yr converted so that times of refreshing can come from the LORD.
RESPECT GODS TRUTHS or GOD WILL BLIND YOU TO THE TRUTH AS JUDGMENT AGAINST YOU.
Bro Tony, keep preaching the truth.
You’re absolutely right but permit me to share something that might shed light on the problem.
” But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth”
“.. and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.”
These two scriptures (plus others that support them) tell us that we cannot find truth on our own..otherwise we would not need the Holy Spirit to guide us!
The wording here is precise… we are to be lead by the Holy Spirit into truth. In other words we follow by choice.
That begs the question… Is the Holy Spirit going to lead us all into all truth? I think not. The Holy Spirit is ONLY going to lead us into truth He knows we need. It means we can and almost certainly do, seek after truth that is not going to be revealed by the Holy Spirit.. maybe because it’s a distraction.
This is huge because it explains why there are so many different views on so many different facets of doctrine and leaves us wondering… “Does the truth I hold to, come from the Holy Spirit or my considered research?”
I can say that “some” of the doctrine I hold to, I believe came directly from the Holy Spirit but if I’m brutally honest most of my doctrine comes from researched, considered opinions, context, logic, etc. In other words, my own wranglings. I don’t like the idea but have to accept that if I’ve not been lead by the Holy Spirit into such truth, then no matter how logical, how well researched and considered, I might actually be wrong.
Ironically, this feeds right back to the issue at heart. Even if the Holy Spirit has revealed some facet of truth to me, is it incumbent on me to share with everyone else? Maybe but possibly not. After all, if the Holy Spirit doesn’t direct me to share then the person receiving isn’t going to receive His revelation no matter how eloquently I share any truth!
This revelation has helped me change the lens through which I look at others who reject the truth I share and actually reflect and pray before sharing anything…
Shalom aleichem
That’s some excellent insight, Darren… thanks!
So I’ve got an issue with another’s comment but since there’s no name addressed aside from “Follower of Christ” it seems I’ll make this it’s own separate comment since I can’t reply directly.
The comment made “in summary” made the case that word for word quoting is somehow equivalent to “clear evidence” and therefore those who don’t accept it are therefore judged and doomed to destruction. Allow me to make something perfectly clear: it’s that type of ignorant and arrogant talk that steers people away from God and I’ve would warn sternly against that. I’ve watched a number of people dear to me either reject God or sink deeper into isolation due to this and it needs to STOP!!
It’s one thing to have disagreements and reason among ourselves the faith that is within us. It’s one thing to even have disagreements and discussions over the delivery of other presenters of God’s word (such as we have done in this domain). It’s completely something else, however, to judge one another’s status of salvation based on those agreements as if you speak for God.
You are wrong in saying that those who won’t believe or agree with Tony’s position are blinded and judged by God, doomed to suffer destruction. Frankly I almost can’t believe you’d say such a ridiculous thing. For one, it’s not even a logical thing to say. If God blinded someone from seeing the truth, yet God us the arbiter of truth, how then does it follow that we should be condemned for it? That’s like me slamming the door in your face and blaming you for not coming in.
Secondly, God does not judge us while we are here on earth. Certainly not for having reservations about whether or not a teaching is true or false. Understanding is a process and not everyone gets there at the same time. Lastly, as well intentioned as brother Tony may be, he is not God. And both agreements and disagreements are perfectly ok. I’m sure that’s why the comment section is open in the first place.
It shows openness to being corrected if he is wrong (given the counter argument is persuasive enough) and extends the opportunity for further explanation to those who still need convincing.
In closing, for the love of Christ, please don’t repeat such nonsense again. Instead answer WITH the love of Christ in gentleness, respect, and a better application of scripture. Much appreciated.
Also, to Tony, you make great points and I appreciate your response. I’m going over a few sermons so that I can reference them better in my response because I still have questions. I hope you’ll be patient with me as I prepare; I still have some questions.
Thanks, Charles. You make a great point. I can’t count the times people essentially say that anyone who disagrees with their position must be ignorant, or unspiritual, or whatever. Jesus didn’t just show up and say, “I’m the Messiah!” He gave evidence, and encouraged people to judge Him by His actions. Christianity is a historical, evidence-based belief system. When we pretend that the only evidence needed is our opinion, we end up serving only ourselves. That’s definitely not the goal!
I look forward to hearing more from you, my friend. I have no doubt our community will benefit from your wisdom. Have a great day!
Follower of Christ Response Part 1 of 3
Hi Charles and brother Tony, I completely AGREE (I also can’t count how many times people have been judgmental and condemning even to the point of salvation threatening just because you express a different opinion)
This usually comes from a spirit of self-righteousness or false spirituality.
But i wasnt coming from there.
Again, the DEEP things of God is what i was discussing.
Whats basically going on here is in this article Bro Tony QUOTE’s and LINKS TO “clearly blasphemous” statements, taken “in proper context” made by Miles Monroe.
And yet, people are BLIND as they DEFEND Miles Monroe.
I simply spoke on a DEEP thing of God as to WHY they are blind.
Its because SOME have made a conscious decision to REJECT TRUTH revealed by CHRIST (not brother Tonys article).
Follower of Christ response Part 2 of 3
Christ said ” I am the way the truth and the light”
Yet as brother Tony pointed out, Miles Monroe rejected that truth in saying that Jesus wasn’t THE GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM (there is NO KINGDOM without a KING)
The people who follow Miles Monroe in REJECTING CHRIST or who follow ANYONE or ANYTHING in Reject Christ in some cased have been BLINDED BY GOD for Rejecting Christ.
Jesus knowing God the Father warned people and said the day that you hear my voice Harden not your heart. There is a real consequence for hardening your heart to Jesus Christ. God is Not mocked. It is a GIFT of God to UNDERSTAND Jesus. It is a GIFT of God to understand and see the truth. Jesus said He that hath ears to hear LET HIM HEAR. Everyone does NOT have ears to hear as Jesus taught in Mathew 13 (the parable of the sower)
I warned the reader there is a consequence for rejecting the truth and that is God blinds those who reject the truth so they can’t receive the truth because they’ve already rejected the truth. The Apostle Paul warned of a REPUBATE MIND of those who REJECT truth.
GOD DOES NOT CHANGE he BLINDS those who constantly REJECT his TRUTH
Follower of Christ response part 3 of 3
It was not Satan who introduced the veil! Who blinded Israel? God Himself declares that He blinded and hardened the hearts of the Israelites, just as He promised He would if they persisted in disobedience (Deuteronomy 28:28):
» And He said, “Go, and tell this people: ‘Keep on hearing, but do not understand; keep on seeing, but do not perceive.’ Make the heart of this people dull, and their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and return and be healed.” (Isaiah 6:9-10)
» For the LORD has poured out on you the spirit of deep sleep, and has closed your eyes, namely, the prophets; and He has covered your heads, namely, the seers. (Isaiah 29:10)
» Therefore, behold, I will again do a marvelous work among this people, a marvelous work and a wonder; for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hidden. (Isaiah 29:14)
Because of Israel’s hardness of heart and rejection of God, part of Isaiah’s unusual commission was to make Israel’s self-inflicted blindness even worse (Isaiah 6:9-10)! God successfully used Isaiah, such that when Jesus came on the scene, the nation was still blind except for the few to whom He chose to grant spiritual sight. When Jesus came to His own, God withheld an incredible blessing, such that the Jews, in general, could not see their Savior. Recall Jesus’ prayer in Matthew 11:25: “I thank You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and prudent and have revealed them to babes.” His people saw Him physically, yet most did not recognize Him spiritually.
Would you please share me every link as reference to Munroe’s teachings?
Yohannes:
I’d be happy to share whatever information I have with you. I must ask: have you checked the Notes section at the bottom of the article? If so, which reference are you looking for? Is there anything else I can do for you?
I discovered Dr. Myles Munroe 3 days ago and something about his preaching on dominion struck me and left me with serious doubts…
I am glad the author addressed that BUT I am disappointed and saddended to see how a christian author respond to critics.
Thank you for doing the leg work here. It made it so much easier for me to point out the false teachings of Monroe. I have a difficult time sitting through the abomination of his videos. Great work, praise God!
Thanks, Frank! It’s nice to know it’s been helpful. Let me know if you have any questions, or there’s anything more I can do for you.
Tony who? Tony Evans?
I’m afraid your comment is too short, Frank… what are you asking?
I was watching a video of Munroe, which a friend of mine had suggested. This friend claims that Munroe was not a “prosperity gospel” preacher. Munroe did a fair job of professing this, and side-stepping the issue in his preaching, even though he associated with such preachers like Benny Hinn.
Munroe preaches that people need to give an offering to God, and because God is a King, and Kings do things to show how great and glorious they are, God must give back enough to embarrass us with our offering. Munroe mentioned that if you give God $5, He will give you $10 back, which is enough to embarrass you. So if you want God to give to you abundantly, then you give to Him abundantly. So if you give $1000 He will give you $10,000. If you give Him $1,000,000 He will give you $10,000,000.
So while Munroe did not preach “prosperity” by that name, he still taught the principles. He lived off of that principle, with access to a great deal of money for personal use, which he brags about, but then says it comes from God. If Munroe gave money to God, it would be the money that others gave as an offering to God through Monroe’s organization. It’s like being handed millions of dollars and saying you are a self-made millionaire.
Munroe likens God to kings of this world. But God is higher than any king, as are His thoughts and ways. The human kings of this world are no more than a corrupted view of such authority.
Deuteronomy 17:17 NLT
The king must not take many wives for himself, because they will turn his heart away from the LORD. And he must not accumulate large amounts of wealth in silver and gold for himself.
Deuteronomy 6:11-12 NLT
The houses will be richly stocked with goods you did not produce. You will draw water from cisterns you did not dig, and you will eat from vineyards and olive trees you did not plant. **When you have eaten your fill in this land, [12] be careful not to forget the LORD, who rescued you from slavery in the land of Egypt.** (emphasis added)
Munroe may have not called it a prosperity gospel, but only so he could still gain personal wealth, shackle people with crushing debt (which we are told not to do) and see ourselves as the ones who build God’s Kingdom. God does not need us for anything. He wants us, but does not need us.
The message to Monroe’s followers, even today, is that if you are not wealthy, you are not blessed by God and have not given Him sufficient offerings to merit such. This leads Munroe’s followers to also question their salvation, since they do not seem to be blessed, and thus must be out of favor with God.
I pray that those who follow Munroe, and false teachers like him, will see the truth of God’s word and break free from this false gospel.
Thank you very much, Frank S.!
Are you getting paid off of.this hearsay? Since we are commenting…you sure are. I’ve read some of those “quote” you said that Dr Munroe said. You are lying because I never heard him say from a recorded video that you have to pray 24 hours a day. I don’t agree with some things he said but man, you sure made some people mad with your lies. Those who really never heard his sermon just jumped on your bandwagon. Congrat and enjoy your money.
Frank:
Thanks for your comment. Don’t forget to send me your check, by the way… you know, commenting ain’t free.
As for me being a liar, nah. You’ve never heard it, but that doesn’t mean he never said it. Of course, to make me look like a liar, you pretend that I said that he said “you have to pray 24 hours a day.” That IS actually what he said, but no reasonable person would conclude that he meant that each individual should pray every hour of the day. He obviously meant that we should pray without ceasing:
Myles Munroe was a false teacher. Prayer is NOT giving God permission. If you’re not willing to examine the facts, that’s your problem. I hope you’ll reconsider, Frank. I think we could be friends.
I’m curious to hear if your thoughts on this have changed. Based on your article is it possible that your understanding of the world and “reality” is different than Munroe, and that your criticism isn’t accurate in that he’s a false teacher but just applies differently to you?
For you mention the “breathed” or “expired”, so what he said is accurate and you agree but maybe you misunderstood when he said the same thing in the bible. I’m curious to hear why you think the translation is expired and not death when the word for death is used later.
Also about the spititual for mand dominion of it being “illegal” is obviously just a creative way to put it in terms. It sounds like you’re saying the exact same thing but put his words in a negative light. eg) God made it illegal for him to lie ( just a creative way of saying God cannot lie) I don’t think it’s fait to say false teaching for this. Your understanding of spiritual realm, reality, or human form might jsut be way different than how he understands it which doesn’t change the bible but hanges the understanding of it. ($5 vs knowing what a big mac is worth)
p.s I comment to undertand better so i’m not lead astray. Thanks for your work.
ARJ:
I’m glad you asked these questions, my friend.
First, if my thoughts had changed, the article would be updated to reflect them.
No, the question of whether someone is a false teacher has nothing to do with competing theories about reality. The question has to do with representation. Myles Munroe claimed to preach and teach true Christianity, yet many of the things he taught contradict Scripture, contradict what Christians throughout history have believed… and they echoed, and expanded, false teachings by other false teachers. Had Munroe claimed that he was teaching a new religion, that would be a different story. I might disagree with his teaching at that point, but he would not be considered a false teacher in the same sense. Teachers of Christianity teach Christianity, and what we say must be consistent with what God has said in His Word. That’s the standard we find in the New Testament, so it’s the only standard here.
Let’s get serious for a minute about words, okay? Here’s what Munroe said: The Bible never says that Jesus really died, you know. That’s a lie, and you know it. Regardless of which word was used in one specific passage, the Bible actually DOES SAY that Jesus really died, over and over again… and you know it. This isn’t a game. There’s no excuse for what Munroe taught.
Also: no. “Illegal” isn’t just a creative way of saying anything. It’s a lie. Munroe claimed, over and over, that God made a law that only spirits with bodies have permission on earth. This doesn’t come from the Bible. It’s not even close to anything in the Bible. It’s made up… and it’s the basis for a LOT of other things Munroe taught. It’s contradicted by a hundred passages and more… there are no passages in which we find God saying that He wants to act, but can’t act, until a human gives Him ‘power permission.’ It’s a ridiculous lie.
I hope you don’t misunderstand me here. I do appreciate you asking the questions. If false teaching were no big deal, the New Testament wouldn’t warn us again and again and again about false teachers. It’s a big deal… so big that we’re told to kick them out of our churches. Today’s false teachers have their own churches, so the only way we can deal with them is to make their errors known. I really, really don’t want to write about false teachers. The TRUE gospel is awesome, and people need it… but they ask me questions about false teachers like Myles Munroe, so I do what I can to help them.
One thing should be clear: this isn’t a fight between me and any false teacher. I would share a meal with any of them and try to convince them to change, because I love them. I pray for those still alive, that they will repent. In the meantime, my only goal is to help others know the actual, true, ONE gospel that was handed down once for all. It’s in the New Testament, and I will never compromise on it.
Let me know if you have any questions. Have a great day!
This is insane. Before i go any further let’s see if our concepts are the same. What’s the true meaning of repent? What’s the meaning of religion? And I see your referring to church as it a building. If the concept is not the same you will miss understanding the Bible. What Bible are you reading from that is calling Dr Myles Monroe teaching wrong? Who is the author of YOUR Bible? Lastly when you read Genesis 1 verse 26. What understanding are you getting from that scripture. When you read Genesis 2 verse 7 what does that mean TO YOU. Now please remember Create and Form doesn’t have the same definition. The problem with the CHURCH meaning People. The concept is not the same according to the KING. I don’t study for stones. Meaning to bash your understanding of the word. Dr Myles Monroe read the Bible well over 30 different times. And sometimes we try and minster from what you just discovered. Not realizing there is more to this text. As a believer we all are guilty if this act.
Ricky:
I don’t know if you’re replying to me, or to somebody else. I’ll respond as if you’re talking to me.
The Greek word that we translate as repent is matanoeo. The word means to change one’s mind, but implies a resulting change in the ‘inner man.’ In context, the Bible uses this word to express a change of mind with regard to God, especially in terms of what God has commanded… and that this change of mind would result in a positive change in one’s relationship toward God.
“Religion” is a pretty broad term. I don’t know why you ask, so I don’t know how to answer.
I try to refer to “church” in the same ways that the New Testament refers to church. In its most basic sense, ekklesia is simply all who have been born again. In a more practical sense – because the word literally means ‘the assembly’ or ‘the called-out ones’ – it’s also used to refer to local congregations of believers.
As for which Bible says Munroe’s teaching is wrong, pick one. Virtually any of them will do. It really doesn’t matter how many times someone has read the Bible, Ricky. That’s a red herring. I know atheists who have read it more than I have, but that doesn’t tell you anything about how right or wrong they are. Atheist scholar Bart Ehrman is a world-class expert on the New Testament, but he’s still an atheist.
You seem to think that I’m attacking Munroe and you’re defending him. I don’t see it that way. I’m only pointing out what he taught, and how it doesn’t match the Bible that he claimed to preach from. I do this because people have asked me whether they should consider his teaching to be biblical. You and I shouldn’t argue about what Munroe said. Instead, we should seek to understand what God has said in His Word… then BOTH OF US will be able to see whether Myles Munroe was a false teacher. If you want to discuss Myles Munroe, I’m not really interested. If you want to discuss the Bible, and compare what God said with what Munroe said and what I’ve said and what you say, I’m certainly interested.
Does that make sense? Shouldn’t we be fighting FOR each other, instead of AGAINST each other?
Hello Friend! Just because God Gave someone revelation concerning scripture doesn’t mean he’s a false Prophet. That’s called discernment. God knows the heart of every Man. Most people study to challenge other believers. Like this page. It’s sad very sad. All great leaders that understood there assignment changed the world. These are the people I look up to. For the record. Your correct the Greek is the language God used to establish his word. He didn’t want to confuse his children that is searching for truth. Greek is Greek. If we are studying Greek together we should have the same understanding. But sad to say thats not the case. The message I originally sent wasn’t for you it was intended for the person that started this page. But God Named my Ministry. It’s called the shoe store. If the shoe fit you ware it. My purpose is to reach the World with God’s original plan for humanity. And I Know what that is. Glory. I’m not a religious person. Religion meaning in search of. I found it. All Dr Myles Monroe did was pass the torch. That means all the things God was showing me when i was a kid is true. God Bless you on your quest seeking for Truth. As for now I remain.
Welcome back, Ricky!
By the way: I am the person who started this page. I’m Tony, and all of the articles here are mine… so you intended your message for me, and I’m the one responding. Nice how that worked out!
With respect, I’m not sure you’ve thought this through. Revelation and discernment aren’t the same thing. Revelation is revealing… uncovering, if you will. It’s telling us something we didn’t already know. Discernment is seeing the differences between two or more things. In order to discern, we must already know… then we choose between the things we know.
Let’s apply that to Munroe’s teaching. We can both agree that some of what he said (things I’ve quoted above) are not found in the Bible. Right? For example, there’s nothing in the Bible about ‘God making a law that only spirits with bodies can have dominion on earth.’ Because it’s not in the Bible, it would be revelation… that is, Munroe would be claiming that God revealed it to him. Right? If Munroe only discerned it, then it would be something that’s already there for all to see, and he spotted it where others may have missed it.
Do you see what I’m saying? There’s more…
The Bible teaches us – you and me – to discern. That is, to choose between two or more things, and to choose rightly. When we hear Munroe say something that he could only know through revelation, we have to choose whether to believe him or not. Because the only information we have about it comes from Munroe, we can’t discern anything. We have no evidence beyond his own words. What do we do then? We have to turn to the rest of Scripture – to what has already been revealed – to discern the truth. What do we find in Scripture? We find nothing about this supposed law that God must follow. We find nothing about God being unable to do what He wanted to do without someone giving him permission. We find nothing about Eve destroying God’s plan. We find nothing about anybody being legal or illegal on earth. We do find, over and over and over again, that Jesus actually DID die…
So we must conclude that Myles Munroe was a false teacher. We must conclude that, because he was wrong about the things we CAN check, it would be a mistake to trust him about the things we CAN’T check.
I see no other conclusion, my friend. I’m sorry to even have to think it, let alone write it down for the world to see… but many asked for help, and I have tried to help: Myles Munroe was a false teacher. He may have said many things that ARE true, but – biblically speaking – he’s disqualified from being trusted by his false teaching. I wish it weren’t so.
Tony…apparently you haven’t seen all Munroe’s video. I have yet to gear him say, Jesus didn’t die. Prove it. Someone showed you a video that Munroe did say it and you acknowledged and still says that he said Jesus. When Munroe spoke on the spirit being illegal,read Abraham and GOD’S conversation regarding Sodom and Gomorrah.
Munroe had a lot of revelation and many of you seem to disagree. Do you have a ministry? Are you a Pastor? Are you even married? Each ministries supposedly teaches what The Spirit says teach. Munroe was teaching about the Kingdom and it sound just about right. I don’t agree with him 100% but the man was on point a lot.
Frank:
It sounds like you think there’s only one Munroe video out there. YOU didn’t hear it, but that doesn’t mean Munroe didn’t say it. He did, and I can prove it. You asked, I deliver. Do I have a ministry? Yes. Do you? You should, if you belong to Jesus. Am I a pastor? Not at the moment… but I have been. Does that change anything? Of course it changes nothing. Either Munroe contradicted the clear teaching of Scripture or he didn’t. My background doesn’t change that. My 34 years of marriage have nothing to do with whether Myles Munroe was a false teacher. You’re silly to even bring it up.
Believe it or not, Frank: I too agree with many things Munroe said. False teachers don’t ONLY teach lies. If they did, nobody would ever follow them. The problem with false teachers is that they say true AND false things. Every false teacher I’ve researched (for the past 40 years) says things I value and appreciate… but our responsibility is clearly laid out in Scripture. We are to point out false teachers, to hold them accountable for their false teaching, to warn people not to listen to them, and our example includes pointing them out by name.
Would you have me disobey what God has told YOU and ME to do?
20You, however, have an anointing from the Holy One, and all of you know the truth.c 21I have not written to you because you lack knowledge of the truth, but because you have it, and because no lie comes from the truth”
26I have written these things to you about those who are trying to deceive you. 27And as for you, the anointing you received from Him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But just as His true and genuine anointing teaches you about all things, so remain in Him as you have been taught.” (1 John 2:20-21/26-27)
The reason I never felt convicted from the Holy Spirit when listening to Myles Munroe was because he wasnt trying to deceive me. However, after reading almost all of your content on this site, I had that familiar feeling from the “anointing” that is within me that what your saying is not right OR your heart is not in the right place. I dont know, only you and Jesus knows. All I will say to you and everyone else is let the “anointing” lead you into all truth! Blessings on you!
Ray:
I appreciate hearing from you. At the risk of upsetting you right away, I’ll say this plainly: when it comes to truth, your feelings are irrelevant. Of course, so are mine. You may not have noticed that the New Testament doesn’t talk about feelings. Yes, you and I can both ‘get a sense’ of things through, I’m sure, the Holy Spirit. I’m not pretending otherwise. However: these kind of feelings are NOT an indicator of truth.
How can I say this? How do I know it? Lots of experience.
Most of us have been there: we face a big decision, or want to make a plan, and we want God to help us… to make sure we’re doing what He wants us to do. When an idea or a “sense” or “feeling” pops up, we usually wonder whether it’s OUR idea or GOD’S idea. We’re not really sure, most of the time. Then we hope that God will confirm what we think might have been Him. Maybe it was, maybe it wasn’t.
That’s one kind of experience. Our feelings are obviously incomplete in this situation… not really very helpful. Another kind of experience: the claims of others. I’ve had many (many) conversations with people who claim to follow Jesus, who claim to be filled with the Holy Spirit, who falsely prophesy. They’re convinced that the Holy Spirit has given them a true message, but somehow it never turned out that way. Did you know that God would destroy Salem, OR on December 25th, in what my memory says was 1998? All they had to do to avoid catastrophe was to repent. Ted (the “prophet”) was convinced that the Holy Spirit was behind all of it. Three months after it failed to happen – neither repentance nor disaster are on record – what did Ted say? “I don’t know why God would do this to me.”
That’s right. Ted’s feelings were so important to him that he couldn’t accept the fact that 1) God would never give him a false prophecy, that 2) he had actually falsely prophesied, or that 3) his feelings had led him astray. I can’t even remember all of the situations like that I’ve been in over the past 25 years. They were ALL – every last one of them – based in some kind of feeling, rather than in facts. When I kindly pointed to prophecies not happening, or to clear Scriptures that contradict their claims, guess what happened? Nothing.
That’s right: nothing. Not one single solitary person who told me God would do something on a particular day, or that some big event would come to pass, or that God TOLD THEM to do something that the Bible obviously condemns, has ever come out and said, “I was wrong.” Nobody. Why? Because they trusted their feelings, even after their feelings betrayed them.
Read the New Testament, Ray. The way we know someone is a false teacher is not by feelings. It’s by comparing what someone says with what God has said in His Word. It’s really that simple: when someone contradicts clear Scriptures, they’re wrong. Myles Munroe was wrong, about a number of important things. He certainly said many good and true things, but that doesn’t erase his failures. People need to know which of his ideas are wrong.
God does not need permission from humans to do anything. Munroe taught that He does, but God Himself both said and showed that He doesn’t. No matter how you or I or anyone else feels about it, that’s the truth. I don’t write these articles because I enjoy it. It’s a lot of work, and it’s primarily negative work. The responses are typically attacks on the messenger, too. I expect the attacks, but that doesn’t mean I like leaning into a left hook. We need to deal with the facts, not our feelings.
I do sincerely appreciate your blessings, my friend. What say you?
After reading your critique it’s clear you don’t understand what a false prophet is. First off let God be true and every man a liar, also for now we know in part but then we shall know as we are known. So unless every single word or concept that you have ever uttered in your life about scripture is 100% correct then you, yourself by your own measure are a false prophet and teacher. But this is the issue when men try to summarize another person’s lifelong ministry in a few paragraphs and cherry picked quotes. You should know better. The concept of false prophet and teacher in New Testament is related to whether or not they acknowledge Jesus Christ is Lord. Those people will be promoting someone other the Jesus as Messiah, clearly something Myles Munroe never did. It’s not even worth trying to dispute specific parts of your analysis because you have totally missed Dr. Munroe’s concept. As a man believes in his heart so is he, so the belief system you have already created is blocking you understanding. When you start with the wrong idea, you form the wrong concept, and your misconception can lead to misunderstanding. Go back and actually study Dr. Monroe’s teaching starting with the concept of ideology and compare versus scripture and then you will be able to follow some of the other concepts. If you miss that you certainly won’t get the rest.
L. Glover:
First, this isn’t a matter of “my opinion” versus “his opinion.” That’s not what happens here. I’m making known some of Munroe’s teaching and comparing it with what we find in the Bible. If you don’t believe he said these things, say so. If you don’t believe what the Bible says, say so. If you think that my comparison is wrong, and that I’ve misinterpreted one or the other, say so.
The biblical test of a false prophet is simple: they can never be wrong:
You may say to yourselves, “How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the Lord?” If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the Lord does not take place or come true, that is a message the Lord has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously, so do not be alarmed. Deuteronomy 18:21-22
Here’s Jeremiah 23:16:
Do not listen to what the prophets are prophesying to you;
they fill you with false hopes.
They speak visions from their own minds,
not from the mouth of the Lord.
When someone claims to speak for God, and the thing they prophesied about doesn’t happen, then they weren’t really speaking for God. That makes sense. So, if they weren’t speaking for God, we shouldn’t listen to them. False prophets and false teachers may say lots of true things… but that doesn’t matter. We’re to not listen to them.
Now, you might claim that New Testament prophets are not the same as Old Testament prophets. To back that up, you’d need something in the text that shows it. If you know of such a text, please produce it. Let’s be clear: if New Testament prophets claim to speak for God (or tell what God supposedly told them), but can be wrong, then the very IDEA of false prophecy goes out the window.
I try to deal in facts, my friend. If you have any facts to share, please do.
This is quite concerning because I have always been a Myles Munroe fan. But if he said the things you claim he said here, he was clearly wrong. God did not need to interfere in Eve eating the fruit because He created them as free moral agents and auto-conscious beings – beings who take responsibility for their actions and are accountable for their deeds. Eve eating the fruit did not stop God’s plan – it perfected God’s plan. God’s plan was for humans to live forever and not die. Eve chose death by eating the fruit, but that has never stopped anyone thereafter from choosing life – like Enoch (who walked with God and was not) and Elijah and others. Jesus came to open the door to everyone and the choice is ours. The Jesus plan ensures that evil men do not have a part in eternal life in Heaven. A much better plan than what was there before Eve ate the fruit. Now Heaven is better for it.
Dr. Anietie:
I very much appreciate your response. Most of Munroe’s fans have, as you can see from the comments on the article, only come to his defense. I hope you won’t take my word for what he said, but watch the videos and listen carefully. Like Munroe, I’m an engaging public speaker. I know what it’s like to draw a crowd, and how people will listen to anyone who sounds like they know what they’re saying. We must protect people from false teachers… even those who are not purposefully deceiving.
Romans 14:10-13
10 You, then, why do you judge your brother or sister[a]? Or why do you treat them with contempt? For we will all stand before God’s judgment seat. 11 It is written:
“‘As surely as I live,’ says the Lord,
‘every knee will bow before me;
every tongue will acknowledge God.’”
12 So then, each of us will give an account of ourselves to God.
13 Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in the way of a brother or sister.
Kyle:
Thanks for sharing some Bible verses with GodWords readers! I hope we can agree that ALL of God’s Word is true.
When we read Romans 14, verse 1 provides the context:
Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters.
What kind of things are disputable? Paul gives two examples: dietary restrictions and sabbaths. These two parts of the old covenant were observed by Jewish converts, and had a tendency to divide believers. As I’m sure you can agree, that’s why Paul wrote about judgment as he did in this passage. Can I show you another passage? One that’s as true as the one you’ve shared?
Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood. I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock. Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them. So be on your guard! Acts 20:28-31
Christians are to watch for, point out, and avoid false teachers. Myles Munroe was a false teacher. I don’t say this with joy, but sorrow. He led many astray by teaching what the Bible does not teach. Do you really believe that Paul’s words in Romans 14 tell us to NOT point out false teaching in the church? False teaching is a stumbling block and an obstacle, which is exactly why we must be on our guard.
Tell me you can agree with that, my friend.
Hello Brother Tony, thank you so much for sharing your thoughts on Myles Munroe teachings.
I agree with you. And it does make a sense now to me, many things.
Can you please find a way to write directly. I need your opinion and advice how to speak to the person who is really defensive and almost “worships” that teacher?
Nazik:
I’ve sent you my email address. Please feel free to reach out at any time!
Please I advise you to listen thoroughly to Myles Munroes teaching. You are making conclusiona out of a single teaching of Myles Munroe. Listen to a sum of them then deduce what he is saying.
He has not diminished the power of God but rather simply said that God is the creator of everything but He has given earth to men(Psalms 115:15-16) and the gifts of God are without recall because the authority He gave man in Eden and man transferred to the devil Jesus came to reclaim it back and gave it back to man. So many is in charge of earth just as God is in charge of heaven but man should get instructions from God to rule earth.
About the gospel. The gospel Myles is trying to refer to is about what is to be preached to those not born again,Jesus never said preach me but preach the Kingdom. Paul preached the Kingdom and taught Jesus christ read Acts 28:31.There is a difference between preaching and teaching.
Joseph:
Thank you for writing. You’re wrong. I’m not drawing conclusions from a single teaching. I’ve listened to many hours of Munroe’s teaching.
You’re also wrong when you say that Munroe didn’t diminish the power of God. He certainly did, claiming that God must follow a rule that God did not make, that God is “illegal” on earth, and that He needs our prayers to gain permission to act. These are each nonsense in light of what the Bible actually says. My prayer for you is that you will study the Bible to see what Munroe apparently did not see. If you wish to honor Munroe’s memory, I would suggest that you go beyond what he taught and study the words of the God he claimed to serve.
Don’t you fear that you will be hindering people from hearing these teachings? Did you analyze his teachings from your own thinking or did the Holy Spirit clearly reveal to you? As a matter of fact, I sat
down and listened to Myles Monroe teachings on praye, fasting and Holy Spirit. I took hundreds of slides of notes and guess what. My life has changed completely. I have a better relationship with God. I now wear the character of Jesus day and night. So good people, don’t fall victim of listening to a shallow analysis. If you want to know if he was a true man of God, sit down listen to the teachings and let God lead you. Blessings to you all.
Ess:
No, I don’t fear that I’ll be hindering people from hearing what Myles Munroe taught. I fear that I won’t hinder enough people. There’s no question that he was a false teacher.
I’m very happy that he helped you. Even false teachers say many true things. God can use anyone to accomplish His purposes, and I’m pleased that He used even someone like Munroe for you. However: that God used Munroe does not excuse his false teaching. The New Testament is clear about the gospel, and about what we should do in response to false teaching. You may not have read What Is A False Teacher?, and I’d love to hear your thoughts after you do.
While I agree that “false teachers” do exist in our world and in the so-called “Christendom”, I certainly would not be so quick to categorize Myles Munroe as such. Just a brief Google Search on “Myles Munroe and Christ Death” brings up a few videos. In the “Jesus ‘died’ to save sinners” YouTube video (MM 4:45-5:30), Myles repeatedly reiterates that Christ “died” to save sinners. Another video entitled, “Understanding why Jesus was resurrected” also speaks to His “death” and resurrection. There are so many others (“The true meaning for Christmas”, etc.), where he expands from an exegesis and hermeneutics of the origin of “death” and how Christ eventually “dies” for all of mankind.
Your ”evidence” of a 29 second snippet from a sermon where Myles Munroe states, “Jesus didn’t ‘really’ die” piques my interest. However, I have to ask myself, what has been true and consistent with regards to Myles sermons on Christ and His death? If I said to you that I am not “REALLY a Christian” denotes that I might have another perspective of what “Christian” means. Obviously today that word has many shades of meaning and most are not consistent with the Scriptural concept. So, hearing Myles use the Greek word for “death”, which as you have agreed, means, “Breathed out or expired”, what immediately comes to mind is where God “breathed” into the earthly vessel of man the “breath of life” (Gen 2:7), and man became a “living soul.” Then there is the concept of “death” where we see in Genesis that Adam experienced an instant “death” as promised by God; however, Adam lived several more hundred years after disobeying God’s command. So, the concept of “death” is literally “separation” of God’s Spirit and man’s spirit. So, when Myles states that Jesus didn’t “really die”, I already had an understanding of many of Myles’ previous sermons where he clearly expanded on Christ’s “death”, its purpose, and resurrection. It has to do with this “breathed out” notion. After His resurrection, Jesus, “breathed” on His disciples and said, Receive the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is seen as the “Breath of Life.” To be separated from communion with God’s Spirit is “death” to God. After Jeus said on the cross, “It is finished (accomplished/complete), “He gave up the Ghost (Spirit).”
Noel:
Did Myles Munroe ever say that Jesus died? Yes, he did. Did he also ever say that Jesus didn’t die? Yes, he did. I’ll quote him again, to make sure we have his own words:
The Bible never says that Jesus really died, you know. The word used in the Hebrew is he breathed out. Expired is the word.
As I’ve pointed out: the New Testament wasn’t written in Hebrew. The word used in Luke 23:46 is ekpnéō, which is Greek. He was wrong, wasn’t he? I’m not being nitpicky here, Noel… I’m asking a simple, basic question: was Myles Munroe right or wrong about it being in Hebrew? He was wrong. It’s a small matter, isn’t it?
Does ekpnéō mean ‘breathed out,’ or ‘expired’? Yes, it does. He got that part right. Now look at the first part of his quote: the Bible never says Jesus really died. Was Munroe right or wrong? Well… he was wrong. Not just a little off, but entirely, completely, spectacularly wrong. Why would he EVER say this? He was so wrong, he even contradicted himself! Now, let’s try to give him the benefit of the doubt. Maybe he misspoke. You know us teachers: sometimes we mention something in passing, to make another point, and say the wrong thing. Is that what happened? NO, that’s NOT what happened. Jesus not dying WAS HIS POINT, as anyone watching the video can see… and that’s not based on a 29-second snippet. It’s the point of his entire sermon! Let’s walk through some logic:
Jesus never really died.
Because Jesus never died, He was also never resurrected.
Because Jesus was never resurrected, our faith is useless.
If our faith is useless, what was Myles Munroe preaching about?
Remember what the apostle Paul said about this topic:
And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith. More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead. a href=”” target=”_blank”>1 Corinthians 15:14-15
Do you see how this isn’t just a slip-up, Noel? Do you see how this is misleading? Imagine your close friend, taking your advice and listening to Myles Munroe on YouTube. Like many skeptics, he has a hard time believing that the Bible is true because of silly things like people rising from the dead. Now Myles Munroe comes along and tells your friend that Jesus never really died. Your friend isn’t ignorant. He knows about Easter. He knows about the cross, and about Jesus dying for our sins. When Munroe tells your friend that Jesus never really died, what is he to think? Either Munroe was wrong, or the Bible can’t be trusted.
I would hope that your friend would realize that Munroe was wrong, and that you were wrong for recommending his teaching. I would hope that your friend would keep searching for the truth about God, in spite of your bad advice and Myles Munroe’s false teaching. I would hope for that… but we both know that that’s often not how it works out. Most people aren’t going to watch 76 hours of a teacher, consider all of them together, average them out to see what was consistent and what wasn’t, then give the teacher the benefit of the doubt for contradicting himself. Teachers are, according to God, held to a higher standard than the rest of us.
When we look at this one item, it’s not earth-shaking. When combined with all of the other unbiblical stuff that Munroe taught – some of which I’ve already quoted – it’s clear that Myles Munroe couldn’t be trusted to responsibly teach from the Scriptures. Yes, he said many true things. He also said many false things, and that’s the problem.
This is a powerful platform you have here. I just found your site today after searching the web for Myles Monroe. I listened to Myles yesterday for the first time and I was able to perceive that he was a false teacher within a few minutes of listening to him. I would like to take the the time soon and review all the interesting and informative information you have on your site.
While reading your information on Myles, I noticed that you mentioned that the New Testament was not wrote in Hebrew, it was wrote in Greek. That is true, the NT was wrote in Greek, but it was also written in Hebrew. I understand that this is not common knowledge. For some reason it seems to be a fact that is hidden in the faith today. The Hebrews were not Greeks, they were Hebrews and they did not speak Greek so easily like Christianity teaches us today. I am not coming at you crazy or anything, trust me. I was just provoked when I seen that comment. If you would like to see the research about the NT being wrote
In Hebrew, I would love to share it with you. We learn this information from the early church fathers and some passages in the New Testament. Be blessed.
Donavon:
Thank you for your kind words of encouragement! I appreciate them very much.
With respect, I have some doubt as to whether the research you can provide will be compelling. I don’t think you’re crazy, but the idea that the New Testament was written in Hebrew – beyond a few phrases that are likely a blend of Hebrew and Aramaic – has been covered for many decades by careful researchers. The evidence is pretty scarce. I’m more than willing to look at it, of course. I don’t know everything, and you may shed some light that I don’t have. Feel free to email me… I wouldn’t publish it here on the website unless I find it meaningful and reliable.
Thanks!
Hello Tony,
I have listened to many of Dr. Munroe’s teachings along with others and it’s good to be reminded in 1 Corinthians 13:9 where it says our knowledge, teaching, is fragmentary (incomplete and imperfect). We strive to understand God’s word, which is why it is so important for all of us to study to show ourselves approved, not just relying on someone else. But because we are imperfect people, we will get things wrong at times. I am not saying that Mr. Munroe is wrong in his teaching. In fact, because I have listened to many of his messages, I am under the understanding that what he meant was that God will not go against your free will. Can God do things on the earth whether we pray or not? Of course! But He is not going to make you do things that go against your will otherwise He would be a dictator God, which He is not. We are made in His image, and He has given us the authority to allow or not allow his presence in our lives. This is the same with satan as Paul warns us in Ephesians 4:27 to not to give satan a foothold or opportunity. We are also reminded that Jesus could hardly do any healings or miracles in Mark 6:4-13 because of the people’s unbelief so they limited God. God has given us a gift which is our free will to choose every day whom we will serve. But I believe He is causing things to happen in our life so we will know that He is there and loves us. This I witnessed with my great aunt Dorthy, accepting Jesus at the age of 102, and a month after she received the Lord in her life, went to be with Jesus on Mother’s Day. So no, I do not see God being locked out of the earth, and I don’t believe Mr. Munroe was teaching that, but we can lock him out of our lives because of choice.
Lorinda:
Thanks for writing! You and I disagree with Munroe, as you’ve pointed out. You say, “Can God do things on the earth whether we pray or not? Of course!” However, Munroe unequivocally taught otherwise, many times.
As quoted above: So even though God could do anything, he can only do what you permit him to do.
This is entirely, completely, unquestionably false. While you and I agree that God gives us (limited) free will, He does not require our permission to act. Munroe taught this clearly. There’s no question that he taught that God was locked out of the earth. This isn’t an uncommon view in the Word of Faith community, and his own quotes make this clear: … nothing has God ever done on Earth, without a human giving him access.
I’m sorry to be contrary, but this IS what he taught. It’s probably not wise to take his actual words and say that he meant something else, especially when he repeated himself to make the point.
Spot on informative article. I hoped and prayed the late Myles Monroe repented before taking his last breath.
Thank you so much for this website!
Just be careful with other sermons that he preaches. Some stuff he preach is good, like the marriage, fathers and fasting sermons but there is a lot of things he preach on that were not good from the bible from his other sermons. He died years ago but i hope he gets to be in Heaven. I think the bad sermons were very wrongly worded, which makes that teaching false indeed, but i hope he had good intentions within his heart when he said them and not bad intentions to mock God because he does misinterpret the bible in a lot of his sermons. Only God knows his heart, i am not on earth to judge a mans heart, but i can judge his words. But i was blessed with about 4 good sermons from this preacher. Anything on marriage, parenting, fasting and how to be a good husband/wife sermons were great. All the other sermons, i do not eat from. Eat the good meat and spit the bones out with this type of preacher. He does have some good sermons so i saved the good ones but be careful, he has some bad sermons out there. Always go back to scriptures when you hear him or anyone say something that is NOT biblical within a teaching or a sermon. Lean not on mans understanding but 100% of Gods words at all times.
Jenny:
Thanks for visiting GodWords! How did you find me? I’m always curious. I hope you don’t mind if I respond to what you’ve written.
“Eat the good meat and spit the bones out with this type of preacher.”
With sincere love and respect: NO, NO, NO!
I understand what you’re saying, but this is bad advice. It’s interesting that a bunch of New Apostolic Reformation folks use this phrase. It means to take what is good and ignore, or leave out, what is bad. Sounds good… but it’s THE OPPOSITE of what we find in the Bible. You know, the Bible that these people claim to preach and teach from. This is a VERY unbiblical idea.
Don’t get me wrong, Jenny: I’m not fighting you. I’m trying to help people see what God has said in the Bible. False teaching is a serious problem. It was then, and it is now. God has graciously given us instructions, for our own good and for our protection, about what to do when we find false teachers. We are to keep away from them. If we don’t, we share in their wicked work. The truth sets people free, but lies keep people in bondage. We have been taught to be on our guard and stay far away from false teachers and false teaching.
Why am I making a big deal out of this? It’s really simple: many don’t know the difference between “the meat” and “the bones.” It’s a terrible metaphor. I constantly hear from people who ask weird questions about strange ideas that they think are in the Bible, or were taught by Jesus, but are basically the opposite of what God has said. A better metaphor would be a drink, like coffee or a milkshake. How much poison would you like in your drink? A little? None? How about just drinking it without asking how much poison is in it?
There are plenty of good teachers out there. We don’t have ANY REASON to listen to false teachers, even when they say true things. Imagine your heartbreak if you recommended a good sermon by someone like Myles Munroe, only to find that your loved one kept listening, followed all of his bad teaching too, and never came to saving faith in Jesus. When people are unable to spot the poison in their drink, they don’t know that what they’re doing will make them sick, or even kill them.
Please, Jenny: reconsider this position. I’m not asking you to listen to me. I’m asking you to look into your Bible, to see what God has said about false teachers, and take His warnings to heart. I’m on your side here, and want to help you protect your loved ones. Let me know if you have any questions.
Have a great day!
First of all, thanks so much for the contents and explanations to why Dr Myles Munroe is a false prophet.
I myself have identified some parts where I don’t agree with some teaching of Dr Myles Munroe. I agree with you on some parts of contents, where you say “God is illegal” and other similar parts.
But I wouldn’t call Dr Myles Munroe a false prophet. I would consider that Dr Myles Munore was wrong on some things. Because the mistakes I think He made are very few, almost nothing compared to the amount of truth he preached inspired from the bible. I’ve learnt a lot with Dr Myles Munroe teaching, and The gospel he helped to spread allowed me to really study the Bible and search for gospel of the Kindgom of God.
But I appreciate your pacience of analyzing the messages being preched. Nowadays with appearence of all these new religions and denominations and the internet, The Gospel of Jesus Christ has been reaching everywhere, and therefore the amount of false docrines and wrong teaching have also been reaching everywhere. That’s why I’m too selective and pay attentions to the teaching of God on the internet. I bielieve we should discipline ourselves to get the messages that we know are truth according to the bible, and discard what is not true.
I believe and have seen people preaching a lot of truths from the bible, making some mistakes though. That’s not a criteria to call them a false prophet. On the other hands, I’ve seen preacher that spread a lot of unbiblical and false preaching, which I have to agree makes them false prophet.
Waldmilson:
Thank you for writing to me! Have you read What is a False Teacher? Determining who is and who isn’t a false teacher is sometimes difficult. Just being wrong doesn’t make anyone a false teacher. You and I and everyone else may be wrong from time to time. Being misinformed doesn’t make one a false teacher, either. We all grow and learn as we go, so a teacher may change some things as they learn more. When we’re clear on a false teacher, it’s because they do these things:
The question of whether Myles Munroe was a false teacher has to do with what he taught. Our opinions are largely irrelevant… this is a fact-finding mission, not a question of liking someone, or agreeing with them. The question is whether Myles Munroe did those things above. Let’s see:
God Himself is illegal on earth. Why? Because, He is a spirit and the law He set up by His own mouth was that only spirits with bodies can function on earth legally.
Here Munroe has added his own idea to Scripture. The Bible mentions no such law. The Bible doesn’t hint at a law like that. In addition to this, Munroe taught that God is completely unable to act on earth without our permission:
God could do nothing on Earth, nothing has God ever done on Earth, without a human giving him access.
This contradicts many clear passages of Scripture where God makes it obvious that there’s nothing He can’t do, that He doesn’t need us for anything, and that all of creation is subject to His will at all times. Munroe’s teaching on dominion and authority make it obvious that he did not consider God truly sovereign – definitely a major doctrine – but dependent on our help and obedience to do anything on earth.
If you would, please tell me: do you disagree with anything I’ve written here? How many “mistakes” can one man make before we need to warn people to avoid this mistake-making machine of a man? The number of mistakes matters, but the content of the mistakes matters more. If I say to you that God doesn’t exist, that’s only one mistake. Does that mean I’m not really a false teacher? I’m sure we agree on that.
I’m grateful that God is able to use false teachers to help, bless, and even grow people like you and I. Truly. If I could, I would thank Munroe for helping you. As for whether you or I should continue to listen to him because he says some true things, it seems God has made Himself very clear on the matter:
If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take them into your house or welcome them. Anyone who welcomes them shares in their wicked work.
I don’t want to share in anyone’s wicked work. I doubt you want that. Are we so lacking in good teachers that we have to listen to false teachers? No, I don’t believe that. I’m sure you don’t either.
Let me know what you think, my friend.
I’ve spent over 2 years studying Dr. Munroe’s works and listened to countless hours (>1000 hrs) of his teachings. I’ve had the opportunity to meet with a couples of Dr. Munroe’s students and I disagreed with your assessment of him. He is not a false teacher. His teaching may not be orthodox, but Jesus’ teachings was unorthodox during His time here also. Change is different and hard to accept. I believe he is teaching the truth through revelations and experience.
Phillip:
Thank you for writing to me. I really do appreciate you taking the time. If you don’t mind, I’ll respond to each part of your comment separately.
>> I’ve spent over 2 years studying Dr. Munroe’s works and listened to countless hours (>1000 hrs) of his teachings.
Wow. You must know a lot about what he taught!
>> I’ve had the opportunity to meet with a couples of Dr. Munroe’s students and I disagreed with your assessment of him.
Great! I look forward to reading the details.
>> He is not a false teacher.
Of course he is.
>> His teaching may not be orthodox, but Jesus’ teachings was unorthodox during His time here also.
This is ridiculous, Phillip. That is, it’s worthy of ridicule. This is completely illogical. Here’s the implication: Jesus’ teaching was unorthodox, so every unorthodox teacher/teaching is true. I don’t believe that, and neither do you. It’s simply a dumb thing to say. I’m not saying you’re dumb, my friend. I’m saying this is a ridiculous claim to make.
>> Change is different and hard to accept. I believe he is teaching the truth through revelations and experience.
Maybe you find change difficult, but I don’t. All I need is evidence. You don’t have any. Munroe’s teaching is unbiblical, extrabiblical, and unverifiable. Anyone who teaches that God has spoken to them personally, and then teaches doctrine from that supposed revelation, should be marked and avoided. Why? Because the gospel was handed down once for all, a long time ago. Anyone preaching a different gospel preaches no gospel at all… those aren’t my words, they’re God’s words.
If you had said that you’d like to correct some error of mine, I would have been all ears. Instead, you simply made a ridiculous statement to defend someone you like. I neither like nor dislike Myles Munroe, but there’s no question he’s a false teacher. You can do better, and I’ll be here if you want to try again. I don’t, of course, want you to believe ME about Myles Munroe. You probably know a lot about what he taught… but if you think he’s a good Bible teacher, you clearly don’t know much about the Bible.
I mean no offense… but if you’re offended, ask yourself whether the point I’m making is worth your consideration. Let me know what you think.
Hello,
I took what you wrote above into
Consideration and reviewed it uncritically. I also took one of your statements above and listened to the whole sermon in context of what Monroe was really saying..
Monroe did say, that “Jesus didn’t die” and wow that can really take someone back esp a believer!! It did at first for me, but having a theology degree and also having spent much time de-coding what pastors are “really” saying I was able to understand here what Myles meant when he said, Jesus “didn’t die” yikes! He was trying to get the congregation to understand that Jesus died way before he “expired” on the cross which is in actuality another way of saying that his physical body died. He died in the very beginning way before man was even created.
I hope this helps with some clarity. I do not agree with the way he structured what he was saying, it provides much confusion, but what he was teaching was not false.
As far as the other statements above, I haven’t looked into any of them, I am not here to war so I probably won’t. Blessing brother ?
Hi Julie
I read with interest your response and having listened to Myles, it’s possible he was trying to say what you say, but I can’t for the life of me see how you arrived here because he doesn’t actually say it.
You say “that Jesus died way before he “expired” on the cross which is in actuality another way of saying that his physical body died” which at best is odd. He died physically before He as on the cross? Then when He spoke on the cross He was speaking other than from his physical body?
Irrespective, I don’t see any biblical support for the idea of him “expiring” or “dying” in ways that somehow explains Myles’ comment that Jesus didn’t die!
Julie,
Great, thoughtful response. I went back to look at the video of Munroe saying Jesus didn’t die 2000 years ago, but died before the foundation of the world.
I’m not sure why he decided to make such a distinction as this in his message. There seems to be no application of this given, which is good, because his premise is incorrect. This seems to be from a poor translation of the passage he uses for his premise, which is Revelation 13:8.
Since you’re a theologian, I’ll use the NASB, as this is the translation most of us use in our studies.
Revelation 13:8 NASBS
“All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain.”
The lamb is not slain from the foundation of the world; it is the names written, or not written, in the book of life from the foundation of the world. I’m guessing Munroe used something like the NIV, which is a functional, rather than formal, translation.
Revelation 13:8 NIV
“All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast-all whose names have not been written in the Lamb’s book of life, the Lamb who was slain from the creation of the world.”
This tells me that he did not really study the passage as most trained pastors would, and used a poor translation for this, and based a message on it as well. This becomes just another concern for me about this man.
In the end, he was incorrect, and preached something that was not real or Scriptural.
Paul, your assertion that Jesus’ teachings were unorthodox leads to an erroneous conclusion. The idea that Jesus’ teachings were unorthodox does not mean that all unorthodox teachings are thus credible. That is the leap in logic such a statement tries to make.
The other issue is the reason Jesus’ teachings may have been perceived as unorthodox was because the teachings of the ruling class of Jewish leaders was incorrect, and based more on the human made traditions than the God given commands. Jesus worked to correct such errors, bringing things back to what God, that is Jesus/God, meant when He gave commands to Israel in the times of the Old Testament. Jesus taught in the fashion that most rabbi’s taught, and nothing was unorthodox about that.
Just because Jesus’ corrections of beliefs and customs that were in error, and contrary to God’s intentions, does not mean they were truly unorthodox. In light of His teaching being as He/God always intended, then His teachings were not unorthodox, but were absolutely orthodox as they pertained to Scripture and God’s commands.
Munroe, on the other hand, is unorthodox because He teaches was is contrary to Scripture, God and Jesus. In a recent post someone tries to excuse Monroe’s erroneous teaching that Jesus did not die on the cross, but died before the foundation of the world, based on a faulty translation of a passage, which really talks about the names of people written in the book of life from before the foundation of the world, not the lamb being slain. There doesn’t even seem to be a reason why Munroe teaches on this from watching his video. It’s as if he picked something to be, as you say “unorthodox,” and wanted to show everyone how intuitive he was. Yet, his assertion is incorrect.
What it shows is Munroe is a false teacher. He doesn’t even take the time to not only look at the passage using a methodical study of Scripture, but he couldn’t even be bothered to look up the passage in a formal translation (NKJV, NASB, LSB, etc.), but instead relies on a functional translation (NIV, NLT, etc.), which is where he runs into trouble.
When I prepare a study even, I read through the passage at least 3 times, using a formal translation, a functional translation and often using the Amplified Bible, before digging further in with Greek and Hebrew dictionaries, comparing it to other writings of the same author, and comparing it to other passages in the Bible, and finally looking at scholarly articles and books for commentary and insight. Munroe clearly never did this for at least most of his teaching and preaching.
This boils down to what was most important to Munroe, namely himself. He wanted to be important and he wanted to be rich. He also has unfortunately had success in this false gospel beyond his life, as people continue to watch his videos and fool others into believing his false teachings.
“This boils down to what was most important to Munroe, namely himself. He wanted to be important and he wanted to be rich. He also has unfortunately had success in this false gospel beyond his life, as people continue to watch his videos and fool others into believing his false teachings.”
You said he wanted to be important. Did he say that or is that your personal conclsusion?
I appreciate this question. It’s one thing to have a personal opinion, and another to proclaim to the world that your opinion is correct. Because it’s difficult – if not impossible – to know anyone’s real motives, it doesn’t seem wise to make claims about them. We undermine our own credibility when we pretend that our opinions are what make someone unreliable. The facts are enough, and the facts show that Myles Munroe was a false teacher. Our opinions about it are irrelevant.
PB,
You are correct that Munroe never proclaimed this, and it is certainly my opinion, but it is an opinion based on observation.
This might mean very little as far as most people go, but I spent 30 years working in jails, listening to lies, manipulations and half-truths, many times from competing people. It was my job to discern motivation and find the truth.
Discernment is a gift from God. God clearly wants us to know false teachers and false gospels.
Munroe spoke about our prayers being needed by God to give Him permission to do anything in this world because He gave us dominion over the world. This is power for us. Who revealed this to us? Munroe. Munroe talked about being kings and about kingdoms. Munroe thinks in terms of power.
Munroe talked the money he had and the money even his son asked for, or expensive things like nice cars. Munroe wanted to be the guy everyone listened to. He wanted to be a king of sorts. He wanted to be important. He showed this clearly and consistently by what he said and preached.
I find it interesting that I made two points, about Munroe wanting to be important and wanting to be rich. The rich part wasn’t questioned. Somehow that seemed to be clear? Why would his desire to be important be any less clear? This is an issue of pride. He was a false teacher. That means he desired to preach a gospel of his own making over God’s gospel. That doesn’t clearly show he wanted to be important? Why would he want people to follow his false gospel? It wasn’t desire for importance? For preeminence over God?
Nobody would question the Devil’s desire to be important. It’s clear by his actions and his words. He wanted Jesus to worship him.
Munroe gave his own gospel. He wanted to be the one people followed, or he would have preached the gospel of Jesus Christ. I stand by my reasoning and my statement. Munroe wanted to be rich and important.
Ya all go and know this, God is the most misunderstood on earth. So is those who carry his real intentions.
I’m sorry, Jjj. I’m not sure I understand you.
Sadly,this is what religion has done to a lot of Christians, keeping them infantile, spiritually. Heb 5:13-14 and 6:1-2 admonishes us to grow into maturity and stop wasting time on teaching the basic principles of the Kingdom. When Jesus started to reveal what the law really meant, the religious leaders attacked Him. The truth will not always sound right at the beginning but upon further meditation, the light is revealed.
You are just filling the measure of your fathers(the pharasees).
Joojo:
Two can play that game, my friend. I could cite all kinds of verses to suggest that you’re unspiritual, or that you lack wisdom, or that you’ve been spiritually deceived. Instead, I’ll stick with what should be our common ground: the Bible. You haven’t given me any reasons to change what I think. I’m open to your suggestions, as long as they come from the Bible. If you can show me – from Scripture – that Munroe was right about these things, I’ll change my mind. Of course, I’m confident that you won’t.
Surprise me!
”“No good tree bears bad fruit, nor does a bad tree bear good fruit.“
Luke 6:43 NIV
”Each tree is recognized by its own fruit. People do not pick figs from thornbushes, or grapes from briers.“
Luke 6:44 NIV
”A good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and an evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For the mouth speaks what the heart is full of.“
Luke 6:45 NIV
”“Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.“
Matthew 7:1-2 NIV
ChristFoundation:
To be sure, false teaching is very bad fruit. As for being judged, you’re new around here… I tell people to judge me virtually every day. The Bereans double-checked the apostle Paul by looking at the Scriptures, so everybody should be double-checking me… and you… and Myles Munroe. We either responsibly repeat what God has said in Scripture or we don’t. THAT is the only criteria I’m interested in.
Do you disagree?
Brothers thanks for sharing.I have read this article and some comments. I believe that without God man can not and without man God will not. Dr. Monroe always emphasized this point. You should remember that God can only be bound by his WORD. That is why he does not change. Could you please show evidence of God doing business on earth without corroboration with man and I will show many times were God sought for man.
Disan:
You can SAY that without man, God will not… but all we have to do to prove that wrong is to actually open the Bible and read it. God uses us, to be sure… but He doesn’t need us to do anything.
You say that God can only be bound by His word… but to show that it’s TRUE, you need one of two things:
Your comments about Dr.Myles Munroe are false and full of malice and hypocrisy.Dr. Myles Munroe is one of the world’s gifted God Apostle. I have been blessed by his sermons. He is also an inspiration to millions of people over the world. Whatever you read should be examined with the Scriptures (The Word of God) The criticisms made by the person from “Gods words Theology are baseless and foolish.
Don’t be silly, Joseph! There’s no malice or hypocrisy here… you seem to only be upset that I’ve criticized someone you appreciate. I’m happy to hear that God has blessed you… whether because of Munroe’s teaching, or in spite of it.
The question isn’t whether Myles Munroe inspired people. The question is whether he was a false teacher… and the only measurement we have for that is whether he contradicted Scripture, or went beyond Scripture, when he taught. There’s no question that Munroe did both, so it’s objectively true that he was a false teacher. I’m not applying my own standard here, my friend. I’m only doing what you and I are told to do in God’s Word.
I pray that you’ll be bold enough to check things out for yourself. If, after doing your homework, you can show that what I’ve written isn’t true, be sure I’ll be ready to listen.
[Edited to combine four comments into one]
The things he said was back by scripture too Sir. Anyone can be wrong even you can wrong. What. Like for example God can’t do anything unless we pray. That is Biblical true and he back it with scripture.That is the whole essence of pray. If God can intervain without prayer, then prayer won’t have it’s place.we can all sit and stop praying.
What you are doing is practically hurting the body of Christ. Yes it is good to point out someone wrong. But calling him a false teacher, No bro. There are some many through which lives has been transformed by his teaching. You calling him false teacher will hurt the baby of Christ.
“Either way he wasn’t a reliable teacher of Scripture”
You said he wasn’t a reliable teacher of the scripture right?.
He was not reliable to you not to others and me. For me and others he was one of the greatest teachers of this world. You are entitled to your opinion and I, mind.
“You Also said God doesn’t need us” that is 10000% lie. God needs us and it is biblical proven.
Peter:
Thank you for your comments.
I’m willing to listen, if you’re able to provide reasons for what you believe. Of course, you can’t… but I’ll be here if you try.
We need people like Tony in the world
Hello there sir,
I’m not arguing,simply seeking here.
One of Dr Munroes main points is that God has created laws which he must obey ( trapped himself).
How is this different then God creating the law that he cannot lie or cannot sin or cannot let any sin into heaven?
What about the Father wanting us to ask, isn’t that the same as God set up a law that he is waiting for us to ask?
Again,please don’t read this in a derogatory tone, but of a person curious to know.
Thank you
Pastor Tim
Pastor Tim:
Thank you VERY much for writing, and it’s nice to meet you.
There’s a serious problem at the heart of what Munroe taught. He claims, as you say, that God has created laws which he must obey. This is where you and I should start asking questions:
You see, false teachers don’t ONLY contradict Scripture. They often make things up, or teach things from outside Scripture. Then they build entire theological systems that are based on these unbiblical ideas. This is exactly what Word of Faith teachers, including Myles Munroe, have done. This is why we consider them to BE false teachers.
I wish you and I lived close, so we could have lunch and talk about this in person. If you’d like to do a video call, I’m open to it for any pastor. I would never want you to take my word for this, of course… you should do your own homework. I hope to give you enough info to make that research easier. Let me know if you have any questions.
Today we’ve more than 38,000 Christian denominations!!! Why don’t we’ve 1 Christian Church?!
Well, everyone of these denominations find faulty in the other(s)!!! They are right and the others are wrong, “Full of false teachers and false teachings!”
Revelation 22:11 (KJV) He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
Richard:
Yes, there are more than 38,000 denominations. Some put the estimate higher… around 45,000. There is, of course, only 1 Christian church: the Body of Christ. We are simply everyone, throughout history, who have been born again. That has nothing to do with denominations.
Tell me, if you would: you’ve quoted from the Bible… do you believe the Bible is true? If so, you must believe that false teachers exist. They’re mentioned in almost every New Testament book. If false teachers exist, should we ignore them? Let me know what you think.
Sorry bro, you shouldn’t talk about his teaching. I know that it is not easy to follow what he teaches and that it sometimes takes years to really understand. Continue to study the word, study each version, study the Bible in Hebrew too. But don’t say stupid things like that on the internet man.
Samuel:
Sorry bro, but you haven’t actually said anything. Your comment basically amounts to “nuh-uh.” I do want to hear what you think, but “I disagree” and “you’re stupid” aren’t really good arguments. Please take a moment to think about where you think I’ve gone wrong… then do me the favor of writing biblical arguments for your position. I will appreciate it very much and, if your arguments make sense, I may change my mind.
If you have nothing Good to say about Myles Munroe then shut up …sorry for the English Mr Munroe was a good teacher and has for millions so …shut up !!!
Gary:
Thank you so much for your kind, encouraging words. Maybe you read too quickly. I did say some good things about Myles Munroe. I also quoted his own words to show that some of what he taught contradicts God’s Word. If you would, please tell me: do YOU believe that God can do NOTHING on earth unless you or I give Him permission to do it? That is, of course, part of what Munroe taught. If you agree, I’d love for you to show me where we see that in Scripture. If you disagree with Munroe, will you then admit – at least – that he was wrong about what God can do?
Let me know. In the meantime, I hope you enjoy a very Merry Christmas!
For what its worth, very interesting thread!
Just coming to your website for the first time, and curious: do you have articles written for non-false teachers? You may be the media scapegoat here (and sorry!), but I see way more false-teacher talk in this end-time. Does that mean there can’t be role models to follow? As Jesus critized some, he also commended others.
Also, apologies if I have not researched your website enough to find those, if they exist.
Dots:
Thanks for asking! I do have a couple of articles you might like:
There are LOTS of great pastors and Bible teachers out there. Most of them don’t become famous, as they’re just doing what God called them to do, serving in local churches. A lot of good teachers are well-known, but it’s a small percentage of the total we can trust.
Let me know if there’s more I can do for you!
It is obvious you did not understand what he (Pastor Myles Monroe) was saying. Nor do you understand the language used in the spirit filled church. The body of Jesus died. But His spirit went to Hades according to 1 Peter 3:18-20 and Ephesians 4:9. The God man was still active and alive doing what He was called to do, release the captives from Death and Hell.
You are in the wrong position brother. You will sit with Jesus one day, and when He tells you that, it will be a hard conversation for you.
June:
At the bottom of the articles, you’ll find a Notes section. There you’ll find a link to the video where Munroe claimed that the Bible doesn’t ever say that Jesus died. That’s simply false. He says the word used is Hebrew, but it’s Greek. Unfortunately, it seems YOU have not understood what he was saying. Please: double-check, using the Scriptures, everything I say. Double-check everything you believe, using the Scriptures. Double-check everything Myles Munroe said, using the Scriptures.
Then you may know the truth. It’s sad that Munroe was a false teacher. It’s sad that so many write to me to ask whether he can be trusted.
Well.. there are alot of comments here. I read a bunch. The writer seems to have personal beef with Myles. Which is reasonable. A lot of what Myles believes and teaches is quite bizarre. But the main substance of his teaching is sound. To cherry pick the few things he very clearly got wrong is not the way to do this.
Myles was on to something. The fact that Jesus came as a MAN opens the door for your own understanding here. You’ve built this whole attack on him by cherry picking and threw the rest away.
Let’s agree on what he got wrong.. but let’s agree on another fact: there is no teacher on the planet who is alive or dead that was absolutely 100% totally and completely right about everything. If we cherry pick anyone’s false beliefs.. than they are all false teachers. Yes.. including you.
Take that which is true.. throw the rest away. You have discernment. You can divide and move forward with the truth separated from the lie and there will be progress.
But you’re choosing this hill to die on and Myles’ teachings are just so much more solid than you think. I wouldn’t believe it all.. no ways.. you’re right about a lot of what he got wrong. But the core is quite profound.. backed by scripture.. and reveals truth in context of the Bible by the scriptures of the Bible.
You have designated him “false teacher” and blast that label continually. To believe this is ignorant. The truth is that Myles Monroe, like you, is a sinner just trying his best. Even on his most holy day, the devil still wars relentlessly against the saints. And Myles made some mistakes. Must we now trust your passionate opinion about him? No. Must we take the truth from your article? Yes. But calling Myles Monroe a false teacher in itself is false. And your personal attack on him is evident by your tone and attitude shown in every single reply here. Anyone can see it. You must forgive Myles Monroe and love him.. or it will eat you alive. He made mistakes.. but he mostly did right.
If I follow a recipe of a cake and my cake comes out not at all like the recipe.. does that make the recipe false? Am I a false baker? No I just made some mistakes along the way. But my cake is more like the recipe than you would criticise it to be.
That’s what’s going on here. Have grace and mercy. Find it in your heart to forgive a man who dedicated his ENTIRE LIFE to God. What he built was tested by fire and found lacking. But he is surely saved and lead thousands to God. And that truth is beyond you labelling him “false teacher”. Just let it go.
Chris:
Wow. Thanks for your comment!
It doesn’t sound like you believe that false teaching actually exists, or that it might be a problem at all. Maybe you didn’t know that 26 of the 27 books in the New Testament warn us about false teachers. That suggests that it’s an important topic. If you don’t mind, I’ll respond to some of what you wrote directly.
Chris,
The apostles and disciples did quite a bit of calling out false teachers and false believers. It was a major theme in many letters. While believers were to live in the world, and even accept interaction with non-believers, it was clear they were to not associate with those who called themselves believers, especially those who spread a false gospel. Also, James, the very brother of Jesus, admonished that people should think long and hard about being a teacher, as they would be held to a stricter judgment. (James 3:1, 2 John 1:9-11)
I would also note that the fall of humanity started with the subtle warping of truth, with the serpent and Eve. The serpent said Eve would not die from eating the fruit. Eve added that she and Adam were not even to touch it. God never said that. God is clear we should not add or take away from His word. (Genesis 3:1-7)
It’s one thing for a pastor to mess up or have some incorrect understanding, but realizing their error, they repent and correct themselves. Aquila and Priscilla did this with Apollos, who was preaching a gospel which was only of baptism, but not of salvation. He was corrected and went on to preach the true gospel. And Paul had to come behind him in one area and teach the true gospel, which Apollos had gotten wrong, only because he did not know better. He corrected this though. (Acts 18:24-26, Acts 19:1-6)
Myles Monroe was fully aware of where most pastors disagreed, and how this was shown in Scripture. He willfully chose to teach a different gospel. I pray God got through to him before he and his family passed in that plane crash. I pray that his teachings and videos are lost in the near future, and nobody else is led astray.
God bless you, sir.
Well put, Frank… thanks for weighing in. Obviously the goal here is not to point fingers, but to see that the unsuspecting are shown the difference between false teaching and true. God bless you!
There we go
Same crap that Jesus put up with
Myles Munro was on the right
Path -He knew more about the life of Jesus than most of the so called experts in the life of Jesus
God is a KING
Learn the ways of a King you are putting your own spin on this which is not correct and you know it .
Kings have LAWS go to work and find the truth
Peter:
Welcome! I’m glad you visited… but, unfortunately, you came and went without saying anything substantial. It’s really easy to CLAIM that Person 1 is right and Person 2 is wrong, but it’s much more difficult to back it up. You’ve offered no evidence, other than your opinion. If you’re willing to compare what Myles Munroe taught – and anything I’ve written, of course – with Scripture, let me know. Until then, your opinion has been noted.
Amen to that!
Tonny:
While I respect your commitment to upholding doctrinal purity and engaging in important discussions, I find it somewhat disconcerting that you’ve chosen not to upload your profile photo on your website. Transparency is vital in any community, especially when addressing issues that can significantly impact people’s faith.
By remaining anonymous, it raises questions about accountability and credibility. If you are advocating for certain beliefs and actively challenging others, it seems only fair to present yourself openly. It allows for a more honest and robust dialogue, where followers can evaluate both your arguments and your character.
Hiding behind anonymity might inadvertently suggest a lack of confidence in your views or an unwillingness to stand by them publicly. If you genuinely believe in the causes you’re promoting, sharing your identity could strengthen your position and foster greater trust within the community.
Haze:
Thank you for your thoughts. I appreciate that transparency is important. However: I’m not hiding. There are several “about me” pages here on GodWords. Every page on the website has a link to my personal Facebook page. If you want to learn more about me, that’s not hard to do.
By design, GodWords isn’t about me. I’m not interested in promoting myself. The goal is simply to answer questions about the Bible and help people clear up misconceptions and misunderstandings. My picture wouldn’t be helpful for anything related to those goals. I don’t talk about my credentials… not because credentials are unimportant, but because I want every believer to know the gospel and be able to explain their faith whether they have formal theological training or not. We both know that credentials alone don’t provide authority, as lots of poor teachers and lots of false teachers have plenty of credentials. I don’t want anyone saying anything like, “Wow… that Tony sure has some impressive credentials. I’m sure he’s right and I’m wrong, because I don’t have any credentials at all.” The only credentials any believer needs is that they faithfully express what God has said in His Word.
If I wanted to be anonymous, I would use the screen name I had in the mid-90’s, when it became clear that something like GodWords might be helpful: GeneralHavok. In fact, before I purchased godwords.org, my website was generalhavok.faithweb.com. I’m not hiding, and I don’t have any reason to hide. Feel free to ask me anything you want to know, of course.
I thank God for people like you who shed truth to these false doctrine. God is not asking us to be perfect but for us to live Holy and righteous. The word of God teaches us how to live if we pick it up and study it ourselves just as it tells us to in Joshua 1:8. The Bible teaches also how people will abandon their faith and follow deceiving spirts and things taught by demons. 1 Timothy 4:1 I’m not calling anyone a demon but someone shared one of Monroe videos with me and a minute into it, I stopped and went to search his name. My discernment spirit alerted me as it should any of you, when you live and abide in the living word. Whether we believe it or not, the bible is very clear, we all will die and we all have to stand before God on judement day. Monroe can’t and won’t save you. We have to answer to God for ourselves so we should be studying Gods word and His truth to know when we are being deceived. Let’s pray for all who are lost, confused, and seeking guidance to turn to our Lord and Savior and He will lead and guide. The enemy is bold and snatching all he can. We must wake up and do as Colossians 4:2 says; Give a lot of time and effort to prayer. Always be watchful and thankful. Be bless!!!
Thank you, Vonda. =)