I’m often asked to assess what others teach. I do not do this lightly, but it is necessary. Before reading this page, or any of the pages about specific people, I recommend that you read What is a False Teacher?, which explains what the Bible says about false teachers, and why I would bother to research who they are and what they say. You may also want to check out a list of Bible Teachers I Can Recommend.
Myles Munroe was an evangelist, author, and speaker. Born in the Bahamas, Munroe developed a worldwide ministry that grew for over 30 years. He and his wife Ruth died in a plane crash in 2014 while on their way to a conference in the Bahamas.
Unfortunately, Myles Munroe was a false teacher. I don’t say that gladly. He was by all accounts a happy man, an engaging speaker, and a skilled leader of leaders. He could have done much more for the Kingdom of God had he clearly taught what we find in the Scriptures. Instead, he taught heretical Word of Faith doctrines.
There’s no doubt that Myles Munroe taught many true things. Unfortunately, as a Word of Faith teacher, he also taught a number of unbiblical things for many years. Among them were false ideas about God and humanity.
God is illegal?
The foundational teaching of Munroe’s ministry has to do with “dominion.” It all boils down to this quote:
God Himself is illegal on earth. Why? Because, He is a spirit and the law He set up by His own mouth was that only spirits with bodies can function on earth legally.”
It’s assumed by his followers to be true because… well, because he said it. There is, of course, no such law. This false idea is the basis on which Munroe’s teaching on dominion rises or falls. The Bible contains absolutely no mention of this concept. It’s the main claim behind his teaching on dominion, on the gospel, on the kingdom, on prayer, on money, and more.
Who has dominion?
A commonly-held belief among Word of Faith teachers has to do with “dominion.” That is, with who has power and authority in the universe. Both Judaism and Christianity teach that God is all-powerful, having created all that exists… and that there is nothing that He wants to do that He cannot do.
In contrast, Word of Faith teachers like Munroe teach the opposite. They claim that God is subject to laws that limit His ability to act. Here’s a thumbnail sketch of the concept:
- God created Adam and gave him dominion over the earth.
- When Adam sinned, he lost dominion to Satan… locking God out of the earth.
- When Jesus died and rose again, mankind recovered that dominion.
- God cannot do anything on earth without permission from those who have dominion… that is, from us.
God could do nothing on Earth, nothing has God ever done on Earth, without a human giving him access. So he’s always looking for a human to give him power permission. In other words, God has the power, but you have the permission. God has the authority and the power, you’ve got the license. So even though God could do anything, he can only do what you permit him to do.
This concept of God being unable to act without our permission obviously diminishes God and exalts humanity. God, according to Munroe, is powerless to act on His own. This limitation supposedly comes from God Himself. After making this law, He could not change it. According to Munroe and folks like Benny Hinn, God must act in accordance with it. Munroe taught that God was “illegal” on the earth, even to the point of naming the animals. Adam had to name the animals, he said, because God did not have dominion:
He could not name those animals because He is illegal.
Munroe taught that God wanted to do things, but could not. The Bible makes it clear that God is not subject to anyone or anything. For example, here’s what Ephesians 1:20-21 says about that:
“… He raised Christ from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every name that is invoked, not only in the present age but also in the one to come.
If God’s ability to act is limited in the way Munroe taught, then there IS a rule – an authority, or a power – that is above Him. This is unquestionably unbiblical.
The only creature that God gave authority in the earth legally to is a spirit in a dirt body. That means any spirit without a body is illegal on planet earth… even God himself is illegal on earth. Why? Because he is a spirit, and the law he set up by his own mouth was that only spirits with bodies can function on earth legally. That’s why God could not interfere when Adam and Eve was, you know, kind of deliberating on the fruit environment there in the book of Genesis.
This law of dominion extends even to the conviction of sin (one of the things the Holy Spirit does) and the salvation of the lost:
Why can’t God just save everybody? He needs a human agency. That’s why you and I gotta preach. We gotta preach to give God license to literally go and convict that person, to bring them to him.
According to this false idea, God is even unable to ensure that His plans for humanity come to pass. Speaking to Benny Hinn (another false teacher), Munroe said this:
It bothers me, I’m sure it bothered you for years as a pastor, if God is so mighty, powerful, awesome, omnipotent, omniscient, why couldn’t this mighty God who made 500 million planets and galaxies could not stop a skinny little women from picking the fruit to destroy his whole program? I mean, come on God, aren’t you powerful? You can intervene, you can destroy the works of the devil, prevent the woman and save humanity. But he couldn’t. Not that he didn’t, he couldn’t.
Obviously, Munroe did not consider God to be mighty, powerful, awesome, omnipotent, or omniscient. His diminished view of God does not match what we see in Scripture. God has, and has always had, dominion over His creation.
Prayer is permission?
Munroe was very clear about the nature of prayer. Rather than a way of communing with our Creator, and a way of asking Him for help, this false teaching claims that prayer is giving God permission to act:
Prayer is man giving God permission, or license, to interfere in Earth’s affairs. In other words, prayer is Earthly license for Heavenly interference.
Our prayer is a strange experience. We normally ask God to do things; God is telling us to command Him permission to do for us.
Heaven depends on earth for interference. If He could just find two people like you and I to agree. We agree for God to do this thing. Then God says, ‘Thank you very much for permission!’ Then He can come.
God is even unable to heal without our permission:
Lord, heal this man. God says, ‘No! No! No! Talk to the sickness, I am already healing the guy. What I need is permission to get the healing on earth.
When a human gets healed and becomes well again, God Himself is able to stay here legally longer.
Prayer is man giving God Earthly license for Heavenly interference. Paul says pray always, and never stop, because when you stop praying, Heaven is locked up. You should pray 24 hours a day… you gotta pray because he wants access constantly. I always wondered why God made the Earth to spin around the sun, and also the Earth to spin. Here’s why, and I believe it’s the wisdom design of God. God designed the planet of Earth in such a way that there will always be humans up, praying. Every 24 hours, a half of the globe is up. That means God will always have 24 hours, constantly, of access. That’s why he says I have sought for a man, I’m looking for somebody, if my people. He says there’s gotta be someone all the time telling me, “interfere, interfere, interfere.”
Jesus didn’t really die?
One of the more shocking things that Munroe taught almost seems minor. He appeared to be clearing up some confusion about what the Bible says, but he was really contradicting a primary New Testament teaching:
The Bible never says that Jesus really died, you know. The word used in the Hebrew is he breathed out. Expired is the word.
First, the Old Testament, written in Hebrew, doesn’t mention Jesus dying or not dying. Only the New Testament mentions Jesus’ crucifixion, and it wasn’t written in Hebrew. It was written in Greek.
Second, the Greek word in question DOES mean “breathed out” or “expired.” Does that mean Munroe was right? No. That’s ridiculous. The rest of the New Testament affirms again and again and again that Jesus actually did die:
Fellow Israelites, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know. This man was handed over to you by God’s deliberate plan and foreknowledge; and you, with the help of wicked men, put him to death by nailing him to the cross. But God raised him from the dead, freeing him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for death to keep its hold on him. Acts 2:22-24
You see, at just the right time, when we were still powerless, Christ died for the ungodly. Romans 5:6
But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Romans 5:8
I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing! Galatians 2:21
The idea that Jesus didn’t actually die is simply ridiculous. That is, it’s worthy of ridicule. Even atheist scholars acknowledge the historical reality that Jesus died by crucifixion, and every Christian theologian in history says the same. For Munroe to say otherwise is simply unconscionable.
If Jesus didn’t die, then He didn’t die for our sins. If Jesus didn’t die for our sins, we are still lost. If Jesus didn’t die, He couldn’t have been resurrected… and our faith is in vain. In 1 Corinthians 15 Paul wrote this about Jesus’ resurrection:
And if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is in vain and your faith is in vain.
That seems pretty plain. The entire New Testament is based on the idea that Jesus died for our sins, and was raised from the dead. Without that, Paul said, our faith is in vain… or worthless. Myles Munroe claims that Jesus didn’t really die. One might suggest that his faith, as a result, was in vain.
Myles Munroe was a false teacher. I hope that in his last moments he made peace with God. I pray that those who followed his ministry would be as eager and zealous as he was, but for the truth. We find the true gospel, taught by Jesus and handed down once for all by the apostles, in the New Testament.
Notes
- Prayer is giving God permission – YouTube video
- The Bible never said that Jesus really died – YouTube video
Disclaimer
Don’t bother commenting or emailing me about how I’m just wrong. It’s a waste of your time and mine. If you have something to say, include Scripture. I am far from perfect, and I can be wrong… so I don’t do any of this lightly, and I’m open to correction.
Don’t bother telling me how this person or that person helped you. It’s a waste of your time and mine. Nobody teaches lies and falsehoods all the time. In researching these topics, I’ve heard a LOT that I appreciated, and have been inspired by even those who are otherwise far from the truth. The number of times someone is right is irrelevant to the question of whether they also teach false things. We should appreciate anyone who teaches us the truth, but that doesn’t mean we should uncritically follow them when we see significant problems in their lives, in their ministries, and in their teaching. Neither your opinion nor mine matter here. What matters is what the Bible teaches, and whether those who preach and teach in Jesus’ name are teaching falsely.
If you can provide evidence that one of these people has recanted their false teaching, please let me know. I would love to amend their article to show that they have changed what they teach.
Finally: we who follow Jesus should not consider false teachers our enemies. If they’re not saved, we should pray for their salvation. If they are saved, we should pray that God will lead them to teach only the truth.
See also: a list of Bible Teachers I Can Recommend
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Thanks for this bro!
u are a fool bro. like the devil you have to hide behind whatever it is to tell a lie like your father, you are just immature kid in a grown up suit spreading lies, u r just hurt and living a disappointing life, lord plx help in jesus name amen
Michael:
Ansara means “helper.” Why aren’t you helping? You seem to have not noticed that I used Myles Munroe’s own words here. Clearly, I’m not making things up. If you dislike having someone simply point out what he taught, that’s your problem. If you really think I’m spreading lies, bring receipts. Insulting people doesn’t help anyone. If you’ve been fooled by Munroe’s teaching, I will help you by pointing you to the parts of God’s Word that teach what he would not.
I always thought that everything Myles taught was backed by God’s word. His teachings are the only teachings that explains why God is hardly helping anyone on earth; why there is so much wrong about our habitat. I trust Myles’ teachings. Also, you didn’t offer anything contradicting Myles’ teachings. He teaches what the bible teaches.
Julie:
Thanks for writing! I understand that you trust what Myles taught. I have a simple, serious question for you: what will you do when you see that what Myles taught actually DOES contradict what the Bible says? Will you change your mind? Will you begin a serious study of the Scriptures, to make sure that what you believe is true? Will you turn a blind eye to the evidence, and prefer to continue believing in spite of the evidence? You’re right that my article doesn’t present a point-by-point refutation of his teaching, using Scripture… that’s a reasonable thing to ask for. For most, it’s enough to simply expose what he DID say, as it should be obvious that he taught falsely. For others, like yourself, more evidence is needed.
What would you do with the evidence? Are you willing to stick around and engage in some kind of longer-term discussion about what he taught? I’d be happy to walk through that process with you. Let me know. =)
Hi Mr. Tony! A woman came today on my job. I was wearing a mask that said Yeshua Ha’Mashiach. She said “how do you know about Yeshua?” and I told her “I’m Hebrew! I’m descendant from the Tribe of Gad.” She was amazed. I told her I don’t listen to anyone anymore, because I’ve been misled too many times by preachers, teachers, apostles and prophets!
I only listen to Yeshua my Wonderful Bridegroom and I haven’t been misled since! She mentioned she listens to TD James and this guy named Myles Munroe. I told her “TD Jakes lives in a mansion. I have a huge problem with that!” So, she said “well just listen to Myles you’ll like him.” I looked him up just now on YouTube.
I listened for a few mins. I stoped the video and decided to do some research on him. All I did was type in his name and your website was the first thing that popped up! When these evil people grab many sheep. They’re living in nice vehicles, homes and flying jet planes! It’s all about Tithes and Offerings, which is unbiblical! They will get the penalty that they deserve! You better know it!
At the end of the day! When someone comes against my FATHER Yahuwah. Their coming against me! So you did right by exposing the truth Mr. Tony! It’s shameful to speak of what the ungodly people do in secret! [Ephesians 2:12]
So if you’re wondering where does my money go since I don’t attend any of these non-denomination churches. It goes to the poor and needy, but I don’t let my left hand know where my right hand is doing. [Matthew 6:1-4] Only the FATHER knows what I do in secret to bring His Kingdom glory! We have to test peoples spirits! [1 John 4:1] We even have to test and examine ourselves! [2 Corinthians 13:12]
May the LORD Sabaoth: the Holy One of Israel continue to keep a wall of fire 🔥 around you and those whom you truly love! 💙🤍💜🕊
Izaiel:
First, welcome! I’m glad you commented.
I understand why you “don’t listen to anyone” anymore. There are a lot of people out there simply proclaiming that their opinions are the truth. It’s too common, and the consequences are often severe. Munroe and Jakes both teach contrary to what we see in Scripture, and those who are unfamiliar with Scripture are easily fooled by them. That’s what allowed them to live such extravagant lifestyles. Too often, people just “like” a teacher without wondering whether they’re teaching lies or the truth.
I appreciate your encouragement very much. Have a great day!
I’m willing to do the long-term discussions that it will take for you to present the evidence that this man is a false teacher because what I’m seeing is things that he said taken out of context. I’m not a disciple of his nor do I believe everything the way that he taught it, but we are to test every spirit and the holy spirit will reveal that spirits true nature. I’ve tested his and I want to study with you with meekness and fear of the Lord to understand why you’re making such claims if you so choose to engage with me.
Stacey:
It’s nice to meet you! My response has two parts.
Evidence
I’ve provided several direct quotes from Munroe. They’re his own words, transcribed from video. You’re welcome to discuss whether what he taught is biblical, of course. If they’re taken out of context, then please provide the proper context. I’m confident that there’s nothing in Scripture, for example, to suggest that God lost access to earth when Adam sinned, and that He cannot act unless we give Him permission. I’m confident that, for example, there’s nothing in the Bible to suggest that God can legally stay here longer when someone is healed. If you have evidence that these ideas ARE from Scripture, and don’t CONTRADICT Scripture, you’re welcome to share it. Keep in mind that when two people claim to be filled with the Holy Spirit and then hold contradictory views of God, they can’t both be right… and they must turn to another source of authority for answers. That authority is – without question and without compromise – the Bible. While you may be led by what you feel is the Holy Spirit, He – being God – will never lead you to believe something that contradicts what He has already said is true.
Success
Before you spend any time looking for this evidence, and before you respond to this comment, it would be helpful to ask a very simple question. You’re trying to accomplish something here. Ask yourself this: what does success in this effort look like? If success is clearing Munroe’s name and showing that he wasn’t a false teacher, that seems like a worthy goal. If success is promoting doctrines that you believe, but aren’t in the Bible, that does not seem worth your time. If success is promoting yourself, as some try to do here, it will become obvious and I’ll remove your content.
The most important goal for both of us, in my opinion, is to bear witness to the work of Jesus in our lives, to give God glory for all He has done, to share the gospel handed down once for all, and to seek first God’s Kingdom in all we do. If those aren’t your goals, I would kindly suggest that you take a moment to reassess. After that, please feel free to jump back into the conversation.
Have a great day!
Why are you so defensive in your comment to me? Have I wronged you with my reply? I can’t take your word for it that those are even his words without you proving that they are. So, I ask you, what I success do you seek in labeling this man a false prophet? I’m posting a link so you can here in “his” own words that “God gave Adam dominion over the Earth, but not ownership.” [Edit: link removed]
I await your response and proof for a clear context.
Stacey:
With respect, I’m not being defensive at all. It’s not my style, and I’m just not built that way. I am, however, both very experienced and very skeptical. I don’t believe you’re being entirely straight-forward with me. First you say I’ve taken his words out of context. Now you say you’re not sure they’re his words. Which is it? I can show you that those are his words, without question… but I won’t waste my time if you’re not sincere in our discussion.
I’ve asked you to let me know your intentions… what success would look like in our conversation. Instead of answering, you accuse me of being defensive. I’ll ask again: what’s your goal? My goal is simple: to follow the instructions we find in the New Testament regarding false teachers. We’re to watch out for them, to point them out, to correct them if possible, and to remove them from the assembly if they won’t repent. Myles Munroe is currently dead, so there’s nothing I can do for him. Were he alive, I would be praying for him to acknowledge and teach the truth, and for his audience to know the difference. Almost all of the books in the New Testament warn us about false teachers, so we should take it seriously. Do you?
I’ve removed your link for now. If you will engage with me in a transparent manner about your goal, we can continue. I wish you well.
Wow. My intention is simple. We are very quick to call someone a false teacher. T.D. Jakes I agree, but Dr. Monroe I’m not convinced and I simply wanted to be sure pending solid evidence and not heresay. Heresy is simply belief or opinion contrary to orthodox religious doctrine. By this definition Jesus and all of his Apostles and disciples were considered to be as well according to the New Testament. I won’t assume why you’ve removed my video evidence and accused me of saying you too Dr. Monroe’s statement out of context. My reply is clear and posted. By this I’m not sure there’s much else to say. I pray that everyone who reads these words continually test every spirit that claims to be of God to see if the speak what scripture has revealed
1 John 4. If they don’t line up or offer only personal rebukes, let them be accursed Gal. 1:8-9.
Stacey:
While some may be quick to call someone a false teacher, I am not. I spent more than 20 years studying false teachers before I wrote a single article. I’ve read books, listened to preachers on the radio, watched them on TV, browsed their websites, and more. Maybe you failed to read the very first paragraph on this page. I’ll copy it here for your convenience:
I’m often asked to assess what others teach. I do not do this lightly, but it is necessary. Before reading this page, or any of the pages about specific people, I recommend that you read What is a False Teacher?, which explains what the Bible says about false teachers, and why I would bother to research who they are and what they say.
Maybe reading what I’ve actually written will help you see that I don’t write on a whim. It’s GOOD that you want to avoid gossip. I do too, and I wouldn’t want to bear false witness against anyone.
You say you won’t assume why I’ve “accused you” of saying I took his words out of context? Why, that’s simple. You wrote this: “I’m willing to do the long-term discussions that it will take for you to present the evidence that this man is a false teacher because what I’m seeing is things that he said taken out of context.” That’s why. Your words say that you’re willing to have a mature discussion about these things, but it doesn’t look like you’ve even taken the time to think about what YOU have written… let alone to think carefully about what I’ve written. I’m willing to take you seriously as long as you don’t waste my time. So far, we’ve accomplished exactly nothing beyond you pretending to be offended. Don’t take our disagreement as dislike. I have nothing against you, and consider you my brother in Christ. If you’re going to reply, feel free… but please take the time to review the ENTIRE ARTICLE and to review OUR DISCUSSION SO FAR. Otherwise, I have no interest in spending more time going back and forth with you. I do wish you well, and hope you’re up to the challenge. Have a great day!
You clearly need to read Ephesians and study it, zero in on chapter 1, and ask god to open the eyes of your understanding.
Jason:
While I appreciate your input, it’s not really very helpful. I’ve read Ephesians many times, and I’m pretty sure my Bible says the same things your Bible says. If you could be more specific about the parts of Ephesians I’ve misunderstood, I’d be in your debt. Thanks!
A study of the word of faith teaching does not state what you say, and results in your misleading of the word of faith beliefs. While I would agree that often people of every denomination including word of faith will take things off coarse to please or satisfy their own desires, that does not mean that the roots of the belief is false. That being said if any person mistakenly misquotes a belief are they a false teacher
Rand:
Thanks for writing. You’ve brought up two different things, so I’ll address them separately. First, please explain what part(s) of Word of Faith theology you believe is biblical. Then we can examine both the beliefs and the Scriptures to see if they match.
As for the second, no. Simply being wrong doesn’t make someone a false teacher. Their claim may be in error, but not everybody who is wrong, or who is uninformed, or who makes a mistake is a false teacher. You might take a few minutes to read What is a False Teacher and let me know your thoughts. It’s not always black and white, and we should be very careful about the whole process. In essence, a false teacher is someone who teaches contrary to a foundational truth of Scripture, who is in a position to know better but does not, and persists in teaching unbiblical things.
That would exclude someone speaking in error, or some layperson who simply parrots what they’ve heard without doing their homework. False teachers generally aren’t those who are simply wrong about something.
Word of Faith teachers as a group teach falsely because they make unbiblical claims about the nature of God and the nature of man, then add doctrine on top of those errors. It’s not like a pastor who responsibly teaches from the text but is wrong about one topic. It’s like the teacher who says of their own error, “Since that [unbiblical thing] is true, then these other [unbiblical] things must also be true.” They construct their own doctrinal framework to support their errors, creating an alternate system of belief that doesn’t match what God has said in His Word.
Does that make sense? A mistake is just a mistake. Being wrong is something we all share as humans. It’s not wrong or bad to point out mistakes and errors, of course. Being a false teacher goes to another level, where the areas of error become ‘new revelations’ that must be defended. That shouldn’t be.
Thanks Tony! Your reply makes so much sense.
DR Myles Munroe was a unique great man of God . Of course he may have errored here and there like any other human being but that does not mean he was a false teacher. Myles is one of the greatest Men of God, God chose to propagate the Gospel of the Kingdom of God
I have not heard of anyone who is so knowlegeable about the word of God in the world today
Moses:
Let’s pretend for a moment that what you say is true. Where in the Bible can we find that God “can only do what we permit Him to do”? Is that one of his errors, or is that a false teaching about a foundational truth that affects both our view of God and man?
Sadly, those how LIKE Munroe feel the need to defend him and can rightly point to much of what he taught as truth! In doing so they display emotion, be it loyalty, be it defensiveness, be it pride (of emotional investment in Munroe), etc.
The bible speaks to us all on such issues as we battle with the sinful desires…. “For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their ITCHING EARS want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.”
The fact is that Munroe said the things quoted here and it’s not enough for some investigate because he scratched their ITCHING EARS.
It’s a warning for all of us to be like the Berean’s and to test EVERYTHING.
Munroe’s errors are not simple errors that we might expect from any believer. They are HUGE and FUNDAMENTAL. Teaching Jesus did not die and God’s power is subject to men, is not only false teaching but blasphemy leading off the narrow path. The wages of sin are DEATH. Christ either paid that debt (of death) or the debt has not been paid!
Thanks, Darren.
Miles Monroe is the only message that makes sense and is backed by the Bible.
Myles Munroe isn’t a message, Julie. Thanks for visiting. I wonder how much you actually know about the man, since you’ve misspelled his first AND last name. Do you agree with Myles Munroe that God is unable to do anything on Earth without permission from people like you and me? Do you believe that God can only do what we permit Him to do?
Julie… making statement of your opinion, as you just did, is off little to no value to others, unless you back it up with evidence, scripture or logic.
Care to provide some?
Myles Monroe always backed what he said with scripture.
Julie:
Thank you very much for your reply. I do appreciate it!
Myles Munroe said a lot of things that are true. I point that out in this article, and in What is a False Teacher. That, of course, isn’t the issue. It’s easy to tell when someone teaches false things like “Jesus didn’t exist” or “modalism is true.” It’s harder when people actually use the words we find in the Bible to support their teaching.
There’s a real problem with it, though. Just using Scripture isn’t evidence of anything. Mormons quote Scripture. Jehovah’s Witnesses quote Scripture. Unitarians quote Scripture. Atheists quote Scripture to me regularly. The question isn’t whether someone uses Scripture, but whether they use it in a way that matches the context in which it was written, which includes all of Scripture. Peter pointed out the fact that Paul’s words were often distorted by those who misused them:
Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.
Myles Munroe, along with every other Word of Faith teacher, distorted Scripture. He didn’t simply make a mistake here and there… he twisted the meaning of Scripture and built doctrines on top of his misinterpretations. If you’d like to try to defend things he taught, please do. I’m open to correction, as I’m sure you are.
First, if it hurt you that I misspelled his name, my apologies. Secondly, why are you so angry? And thirdly, I believe that God does use people to bring about activities on earth. He may not need our permission considering He can move on to the next person to bring about His plan. But I understand what Myles meant. So, yes, I agree with him. I never said he was the message. I said his teachings makes more sense than any other teachings I’ve come across and he backs it with scripture.
Julie:
No, it didn’t hurt. You don’t need to apologize. I also wasn’t trying to correct your spelling. Here’s the point: by commenting and disagreeing strongly, you presented yourself as someone who’s better able to assess whether Myles Munroe’s teaching matches God’s Word. You essentially said, “you’re wrong, and you know less than I know about this stuff, so you should listen to me.” Well… if you’re any sort of authority on whether his teaching is biblical, it makes sense that you would at least be familiar with the guy’s name. You’ve misspelled it in two separate comments, in fact… in spite of the fact that the page you’re commenting on shows his name a bunch of times, and in spite of the fact that the comment you replied to also showed his name, spelled correctly. I’m confident you’d have the same response if I said, “Christians follow Jeesuz, the Son of God.”
Second, what makes you think I’m angry? Because we disagree? No, I’m not angry at all. I’m GLAD you’re here, and I want to hear what you have to say.
As for whether you said he was the message, I’m not sure how else to read your comment: “Miles Monroe is the only message that makes sense.”
Finally, it sounds like you’re not sure what you agree with. You say that God does NOT need our permission, but that you understand what Myles meant… so you agree, even though you disagree. Can you clarify? Thanks!
Alas you are living in denial dear sister!
The fact you cannot look into the matter to see what Monroe preached in regard to these matters (Christ didn’t die and God is subject to man) speaks so.
I guess your love and admiration for the man, perhaps born from personal emotional investment, prevents you from such contemplation, but it should be a warning to you.
Darren:
Please be cautious. Thanks!
I don’t feel caution is wise, what’s needed or fruitful when faced with emotive responses that have no substance, construct or evidence.
I choose my words carefully knowing without seeking to cause offense but intending to speak the truth concisely and without ambiguity.
If Julie shows my words are untrue, I will happily reject and seek forgiveness.
Darren:
My point is that you appear to be doing things you’ve already criticized. Here’s your earlier comment:
“…making statement of your opinion, as you just did, is off little to no value to others, unless you back it up with evidence, scripture or logic. Care to provide some?”
Your next response was exactly that. As you can see from already having read the article above, I’m not against speaking the truth, and doing that strongly. Clearly, I seek confrontation by publishing things that make others angry and defensive… so I’m not against conflict. My words were meant to a a gentle reminder that Julie deserves to be treated with respect and kindness, as one who needs help… not as an enemy. The ideas that Munroe spread – and that Julie wants to defend – are biblically ridiculous, but we fight lies and liars, not their victims. That’s all.
Sorry brother, I did not do that!
…do you read…”unless you back it up with evidence, scripture or logic”?
I think I made it clear why I formed my opinion, i.e based on Julie’s failure to comment direct on the evidence you presented.
I don’t think I treated Julie as the enemy by pointing out that she has had several opportunities to directly address the issues presented and has not done so. To some that might seem too direct and I can understand that view without agreeing with it.
Sometimes directness is required, is even the most loving and I judged this to be one of those times. You are free to disagree.
Yes, I am free to disagree. I’m also free to ignore your comments rather than post them. Food for thought. I want you here. If you can’t take a gentle hint, that’s on you.
Your responses and your stated desire to want me here, seem to be in conflict, brother…..
The reference to your power to not post my comments is neither gentle nor respectful.
I’m not sure why I should be minded to “take your gentle hint” or why you felt it necessary give such a hint. Irrespective, the subsequent personal attack and your frankly overt threats are neither honoring to God or the work you have done here on your website… which I believe is commendable.
This is all the more saddening given that my responses were actually only defending your views!
Never mind, Darren. Thanks for visiting.
You have a zeal for God but not according to knowledge therefore you are in error, not knowing the scriptures or the power of God
Book of John:
With respect, bologna. If you’re going to correct someone, bring receipts. If you know something about the Scriptures or about the power of God that I need to know, why wouldn’t you tell me about it? Are you only here to complain, or do you love me enough to help me grow?
You are right Tony in your defense of God’s word. Myles Monroe was a motivational speaker. He would do great if he only taught the principles of discipline, the behaviors of men and women toward each other etc. I found them inspiring. I listened to many of his teachings: I loved his bravado; his confidence. But something was not settling right in my spirit. I asked God one day. “Why is this man dead?” God showed me. I heard what the critics had to say. He was taking Christ out of His own ministry. Jesus Christ says, “I am the way, the truth and the life. No man cometh to the Father but by me.” Myles Monroe is essentially saying that there is another way. He came to his own conclusion. Yes what he taught about Jesus was intelligently masked in falsehood. I can understand why people wanted to believe him. It explains away all the evil that has taken place on earth when God did not stop it from happening. God can stop this whole world in the blink of an eye if He He chooses. He has allowed man his free will to choose for himself. He interferes only when He sees fit. God is the Supreme Ruler of this universe. Man cannot control God. He gave me a vision: I wrote it down in the book called God’s Vision by K.R. Levine. He knows men would have such discussions. He wanted the world to know that there is a marked difference between man and God. Thanks for allowing me to comment. Many will be lost if we do not preach the truth.
A very interesting article but My mind is brought Up to our Lord Jesus himself.He was called a false teacher,a false prophet because His teachings were misunderstood.Which People called Jesus a false teacher,THE saducees and Pharisees(religious group).
THE disciples themselves could not understand Jesus whiles he was with Them,until THE Keys of the understanding of scriptires is given to you,you Will Read but yet never understand.Paul was once a zealous jew who thought he was fighting THE right course until he was interrupted by God in THE Way to Damaskus,may our Search for THE truth brings us to THE divine truth of THE Spirit of God devoid of canal understanding
Welcome, Jozy!
Hmmm. Let me see if I understand. It sounds like you’re saying that because Jesus was called a false teacher but was not, then anyone who calls someone else a false teacher must be as wrong as the Pharisees and Sadducees. Is that what you mean?
I don’t think that’s what you mean. I’m going to guess that what you mean is that some accusations of false teaching might actually be true, and some not. I’m going to go even farther out on this limb and guess that you would agree that the only way to know for sure whether someone is really a false teacher would be to compare what they teach with what Jesus taught. Am I right?
I hope you don’t mind if I ask you a very direct question: do you believe that Jesus actually died? Myles Munroe claimed that He did not, but the Bible says He did. Who do you think is right? Is the Bible false, or was Myles Munroe false?
Just for in case you didn’t know ;we don’t look good by making others to look bad.
Is that how things work? We should avoid doing anything that might make someone look bad? That doesn’t sound right.
I’m sure you’d agree that telling the truth about people who commit crimes will make them look bad, but you probably wouldn’t object to it. The apostle Paul actually named people who taught falsely… would you say the same to him? Believe me: if I wanted to look good, I wouldn’t be writing about false teachers. I’d be telling everybody how awesome they are, and avoiding any kind of criticism at all costs. I get far more disagreement from pointing out false teachers than agreement… but doing so is a duty for Christians outlined in the New Testament. Would you rather I disobey God, or take the hits that come from telling the truth about people who fail to preach from the New Testament?
It would have been good if you added reference points to each of these quotes. That way people could go to the origin of the statement.
http://youtu.be/UKABK6aJnjQ?t=51m25s
Jesus died and rose again. The kingdom of God is at hand.
Thanks, Paul. I appreciate the link. Unfortunately, all this shows is that Munroe was inconsistent. I wish that weren’t the case.
Do you not believe that Christianity itself is pagan in origin? That people on this religion try to use/misuse the “new testament” as a way to usurp the fact that The Most High has a divine plan that he’s using only one nation to see it through with?
La’Taurus:
No, I don’t believe that. Why? Because I read the Hebrew Scriptures. They foretell the coming Messiah. They point to God’s choice to use Israel, and to them breaking covenant with Him. They tell of a new covenant, not like the old. Then, when I see the New Testament, I see that Jesus is the fulfillment of the old covenant. I see that the long-awaited Messiah, for whom Abraham and Moses and Jeremiah waited, has come. As evidence, I see Jesus’ teaching and His miracles. I see devout Jews flipping their worlds inside-out because they saw with their own eyes, and touched with their own hands, the prophecies come to life. I see the wisdom of Solomon surpassed by Jesus. I see the leadership of Moses surpassed by Jesus. I see the devotion of David surpassed by Jesus. I see the miracles from Egypt and Sinai and Babylon surpassed by Jesus.
What do you see? Why do you think that Christianity is a conspiracy by pagans to obscure the truth?
Tony, what exactly in the old covenant did he fulfill?
“Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the Lord. For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people. And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”
Jeremiah 31:31-34 ESV
The new covenant is a future event that is made with a nation, not a religion.
La’Taurus:
Jesus fulfilled ALL of the old covenant. The purpose of the old covenant was to point to the coming Messiah. You’re right: the new covenant, like the old covenant, was made with the nation of Israel… but gentiles – that is, the rest of the world – have been grafted in, like a wild olive branch on a domesticated olive tree. The old covenant is obsolete and has been replaced by a new and better covenant, and – as promised to Abraham – the whole world will be blessed by it. Jesus put the new covenant into force at His death, and many of the Jews in Israel understood that He is the fulfillment of both the promise and the covenant.
So, you’re saying that Jeremiah 31 had been fulfilled?
In context to the old covenant being fulfilled, what exactly was fulfilled? You keep using that word, I would like context, please.
How were you “grafted in?” In order to do so, you’d have to submit to his order, wouldn’t you? I.e.keeping feast days and Sabbath to say the least?
I’m not saying it. Jesus’ disciples said it. I’m just relaying the information. Jeremiah 31 has, at least, begun to be fulfilled.
The old covenant was not an end unto itself. It had a purpose. If the terms of the covenant were the goal, they would never be fulfilled. The old covenant did what it was supposed to do, and it’s no longer needed. That’s what it means to be fulfilled.
Feast days and sabbaths are part of the terms of the old covenant. In fact, God said (in Exodus 31) that the sabbath was the sign of the covenant between Himself and the ancient Israelites. Nobody else was included in that covenant. The new covenant, as Jeremiah pointed out, is not like the old. The sabbath was a shadow of things to come, and pointed to Messiah and the coming kingdom. Now that Messiah has come, and now that the kingdom is here, the sabbath is no longer needed. Taking part in the new covenant does not require taking part in the old covenant, which never included anyone but the ancient nation of Israel.
“Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the Lord.
Jeremiah 31:31-32 ESV
The New Covenant according to this is with who?
Therefore the people of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, observing the Sabbath throughout their generations, as a covenant forever.
Exodus 31:16 ESV
Sabbath is forever
Then everyone who survives of all the nations that have come against Jerusalem shall go up year after year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Booths. And if any of the families of the earth do not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, there will be no rain on them.
Zechariah 14:16-17 ESV
Feast days will still be going on in the Kingdom.
La’Taurus:
You started this conversation with the suggestion that Christianity is pagan. If you believe that, nobody would expect you to agree with the historical, biblical position that the old covenant has been superseded by the new covenant. Why don’t you explain why you think Christianity is pagan, and some kind of conspiracy?
That’s funny. Couldn’t substantiate your belief with Scripture? That’s fine.
The word “conspiracy” doesn’t spook me or galvanize me to move away from facts.
Christianity is repackaged Babylonian sun worship. You don’t keep law statues or commandments. You worship on…Sunday. No one in the books were ever called “Christians.” They were known as ma’amin b’Moshiach or just believers in the Messiah. You celebrate Easter, Christmas, and other pagan days. You don’t keep feast days. You do all this by asserting that “they old covenant is done away with” while SCRIPTURE proves that ALL these things are eternal. This is light, though. It gets heavier.
Yep. You caught me. Nailed it. I have no idea what I’m doing.
In reality, you probably haven’t browsed around GodWords much, and I wouldn’t expect you to. If you did, you’d see only a small portion of the discussions we’ve been having about your exact claims. If you could look at my emails, you’d see even more… more, in fact, than the comments here. You’re not telling me anything new, let alone newsworthy.
Funny how you mention facts. So far you haven’t brought any. You’ve made assertions, and made claims… but let’s not pretend you’ve actually begun to back up your claims with facts that can be substantiated. You’re not making a case, you’re simply being argumentative. That’s okay, to a point… but sooner or later you have to fish or cut bait. You wouldn’t expect me to JUST BELIEVE you, would you? No, I didn’t think so.
For example: you claim that I worship on Sunday. You make this claim without any evidence… and you’re simply wrong. I don’t know what you mean when you say “in the books,” but the Greek christianos appears three times in the New Testament. It literally means “follower of Christ.” In the beginning, it was a term used by others to put down those who followed Jesus. The Didache, likely written in the first century, uses the term as self-identification.
Also, you have no idea whether I celebrate any holidays at all, or whether I keep any feast days. Pretending you know what I do is only pretending. Maybe you’re lumping me in with ‘all the other Christians,’ but that would only show that you really, really don’t know what you’re talking about. Which Christians? Lebanese Christians? Chinese Christians? Peruvian Christians? Ethiopian Christians? You seem to want me to take you seriously, but you’re not showing yourself to be all that serious. Don’t get me wrong: I enjoy a good sparring session. I’m not afraid to back up what I believe, and I’m not afraid of a good challenge. If you want to continue, bring me a good challenge. Use some actual facts that I – and the reading community here at GodWords – can independently verify. Otherwise, you’re just rehashing arguments that many before you have lost.
You the false teacher..that’s why you passing judgment.
Kathy:
Thanks for commenting! I have two very simple questions for you:
I hope to hear from you soon. Have a great day!
This was excellent! Earlier in my walk I thought he was an excellent teacher and expositor. Munroe clearly taught MANY heretical things.i recently heard a teaching of his where he claimed the good news of the Gospel isn’t about Jesus, it’s about the Kingdom. I do hope he was saved, just in deception,because clearly his teaching was not spiritually inspired.
Thank you for your kind words, Jeremiah… have a great day!
When myles stated,the message was not about Jesus, its about the kingdom, think about it (without being “deep”)
He was not saying Jesus wasn’t important, he emphasized on what made him important.
What did Jesus preach?
What did he want us to see with his ministry/life?
Leader:
You’re affirming something Munroe said that you believe is true. That’s fine. Nobody says false things all the time, of course. Do you agree with Munroe that God can’t do anything on earth without permission?
What a senseless write-up. You didn’t say anything reasonable. You wasted your time writing this? Wow! So sad…
What a senseless comment. You didn’t say anything reasonable. You wasted your time writing this? Wow! So sad…
(If you’d like to discuss the details, I’m always available. If you’re only here to whine, I’m usually busy)
Myles Munroe,
Here: The Bible makes clear in Genesis 1:26-28 saying, 26 “And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
What is the real meaning of dominion?
Power, authority, jurisdiction, control, command, sway, dominion mean the right to govern or rule or determine. power implies possession of ability to wield force, authority, or influence.
You see, as far as it concerns earth, God put us in charge.“Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion…” – Genesis 1:26
“Let them” clearly indicates that God gave us the responsibility of dominion. The earth was to contain the same DNA, the very same culture as heaven, but with one very distinct difference: Men were to have dominion over earth and manage it.
“The heavens are the heavens of the Lord, but the earth He has given to the children of men.” –
Dixon:
Thank you for your comments. I’m not going to post four comments, but I will respond to your arguments.
There’s nothing in Genesis 1 to suggest that giving Adam and Eve dominion over the animals also locked God out of the planet. That’s the basis of Munroe’s teaching: that God CANNOT do anything on earth without permission. This is an entirely unbiblical idea, and is contradicted by all of the verses that explain that God can do anything. Genesis and Jeremiah explain that nothing is too hard for Him. Job explains that no purpose of God’s can be thwarted. Myles Munroe said that God couldn’t stop Eve from “destroying his whole program.” That’s not only unbiblical, it’s blasphemous.
You quote Psalm 115:16 – The heavens are the heavens of the Lord, but the earth He has given to the children of men. Giving humans dominion over the earth is not at all the same as losing His own dominion. God has never been locked out of anything, as He created everything. Munroe taught that God made a rule about this, and then had to follow the rule… and that’s why He’s unable to do anything without our permission. First, it’s nonsense. Nothing in Scripture teaches about this supposed rule. Where did Munroe get his info? Certainly not from the Bible. Second, it suggests that God didn’t know the future… that Satan tricked Adam into giving him dominion, and so God had to formulate a plan to get it back. In your words, things seemed to go haywire. Again, unbiblical nonsense. God knows the future, and Satan has never tricked Him. If you claim otherwise, bring Bible verses to show it… but you won’t find them, as they’re not there. Nobody puts one over on God.
As for prayer: yes, we do invite God to do things through prayer. No, that’s not the same as God needing our permission to do anything. We request His help, and He decides what is best. Munroe’s claims about prayer being permission, and that God needs our permission, is heretical and blasphemous. The Bible does not teach it, but Munroe taught as if it was fact. He was wrong.
I do appreciate you writing to me, Dixon. Let me encourage you to not take my word for this, and to not take Myles Munroe’s word for it either. Begin a study of the Scriptures, to see what God has said. Let THAT be your guide. The antidote to bad theology is good theology… and even if you believe you have it right, you’ll only benefit from such a study. Let me know if you need a hand, or a study buddy.
When I was a babe in Christ many years ago I would listen to different teachers and preachers say some things I agreed on and some not. The more I learned from the Word of God the more I came to know who to listen to and who to avoid. As we grow in our Christian life God must be the one who directs our path of learning. Where we tend to fall into error and false teaching is when we stop relying on the Bible as our source as line upon line and scripture backing scripture and change it to one verse being taken out of context and learn to create our own doctrines or follow those who do the same. Paul has warned us many times to be careful of who we listen to and who we choose to follow. This is just as true for today as it was then. If what you hear or read does not line up with ALL of the Bible then you probably need to stay away from it. My best advise for those who are searching, unsure of what to believe, or you are just following blindly the teacher or preacher of your choice because it sounds good, be like the Bereans and get your eyes and your heart in the Word of God ONLY! Dive deep and don’t stop reading and thinking about what you are reading until you find the truth untainted by the thoughts of others. Above all, pray that the Holy Spirit of God will show you!
Mr Tony…when Izaiel…commented up above…you just let him go… to just be …Why.?
What happen to the word that said : for us to not stop congregating….😳
Maria:
I don’t feel the need to correct everyone, all the time, about everything. Just most people, most of the time, about most things. =)
You should feel free to reply to Izaiel, if you’d like. Maybe he’ll respond.
I have just watched his video regarding Gen. 1:28 and discussing about dominion. Munroe never said that God cannot intervene anytime in his creation but he said he created man for the purpose to manage what was created. I dont know what is your religious background but you have a pre-concieved idea about interpreting other people.
Glen:
With respect, you are simply wrong. In this video, Munroe says exactly that:
“Prayer is man giving God earthly license for heavenly interference… Paul says pray always and never stop, because when you stop praying, heaven is locked up… you should pray 24 hours a day… because He wants access constantly.” He goes on to say that when Jesus’ disciples fell asleep in the garden of Gethsemane, their sleeping was blocking interference (from God). He said, “… you can pray all night, it gives God access constantly.”
Further: in the same video, Munroe makes the unbiblical claim that God can’t “go just save everybody… He needs a human agency. That’s why you and I (speaking to Benny Hinn) gotta preach. We’ve got to give God license to literally go and convict that person to bring them to Him.” Certainly there’s nothing in Scripture that teaches this.
I don’t know your religious background, Glen… but please let me encourage you to NOT BELIEVE ME. Take the time to compare what I say, what you say, and what Munroe said with what God Himself has said. That’s our only hope of getting things right, and seeing the difference between false teachers and true. Let me know how I can help, my friend.
I have realised that everyone makes error when it comes to scripture interpretation. Mylse Munroe is the only person who made sense. Everyone including you don’t make sense to me except Mylse…
Manners:
Thank you for writing!
If everyone makes errors in interpreting Scripture, then we have no way of knowing who to trust. Tell me: do you believe that God can ONLY do things when we pray and give Him permission? Do you believe we can control God, and keep Him locked out of His creation forever if we don’t give Him access?
Let me encourage you to begin your own study of the Scriptures, my friend. Don’t take my word as truth. Don’t take Myles Munroe’s word as truth, or even your own. Ask God to help you understand, then study. In the New Testament, the Bereans were commended because they listened carefully to what the apostle Paul said… and then they double-checked the Scriptures to make sure that what Paul said was true.
We should do no less. Let me know if there’s some way I can help!
Hello
Thanks for your input. Something to ponder. I do have a few questions, but right now I can only remember one 🙂
According to the Bible, what is the reason God did not intervene when Adam and Eve ate the fruit / sinned?
Blessings
Christy:
I appreciate your question. Here’s the answer: the Bible does not tell us why God did not intervene and prevent Adam and Eve from sinning. We simply don’t know.
Here’s the problem, my friend: Myles Munroe pretended that he knew. Not only did he pretend that he knew the reason, he largely built his teaching on the foundation of this idea. This is a very big problem. We should be careful to say what the Bible says, and to not say what the Bible doesn’t say. Myles Munroe taught – as truth – ideas about God that can’t be found in the Bible. He then compounded his bad idea by adding to it doctrine after doctrine that can’t be substantiated in Scripture.
If I claim that the entire Bible is true, and that God is a pygmy blue hedgehog, you would say I’m nuts… yet Myles Munroe can claim that God can’t do anything on earth without our permission, and some people not only don’t think twice about it, they repeat it as if it’s an amazing spiritual insight. It’s not.
Did you have any other questions, Christy? I want to be helpful to you.
who are u to believe Dr Myles, when even the Pharisees and Scribes were saying Jesus was not the son of God. This spirit is still among us that we judge and mislead those with little faith. The best i pray u to do, is to start yo own ministry and teach the people what u are saying is true rather than standing at the church door of Dr Myles and shout saying run away from that preacher he is a liar.
Joel:
Thank you for writing! I’m happy to discuss this with you.
Who am I? That’s a good question. I could, of course, turn it back on you: who are YOU? I wouldn’t do that, of course… but it shows that your question about me has a problem. You’re judging me for judging Myles Munroe. We BOTH should judge whether ANY teacher has been teaching ANYTHING that is contrary to what God has said in Scripture. The Bereans examined the teachings of the apostle Paul, and were considered NOBLE for it. We should follow their example, and examine what we hear when anyone claims the name of Jesus.
I suspect that you didn’t take my advice, found at the top of this article: read What Is a False Teacher? Had you done that, perhaps you would use a different approach. I hope you’ll join me in examining what you hear and comparing it with Scripture.
Myles Munroe misled those with little faith. That’s why I’ve written this article: because people have come to me, asking whether they can trust his words. My desire to serve them causes me to examine his words, to compare them with Scripture, and to then tell others what I’ve found. I hope you’ll do the same: start your own ministry, and teach the one true gospel to others. Myles Munroe was a false teacher. He may have been a nice man, an amazing man, a sincere man, a fabulous husband, and a good friend… but he taught contrary to Scripture. This is not my opinion, Joel. It’s simply the result of comparing his words with God’s words. You can find exactly what I found, if you only do your homework.
I’m praying right now that you will be wise enough and bold enough to do the same. Let me know if I can help.
It is better that you ask Monroe about your findings so that he can explain himself to your satisfaction, but sad because he is dead now!
Yobo:
I agree with you completely. It would be best to speak directly with every false teacher. Unfortunately, history has shown that they aren’t usually open to those conversations. As we see in the New Testament, that kind of correction was done in the context of the local church. The false teachers were identified by their false teaching, warned, corrected, and – if they didn’t repent – eventually they were no longer welcome in the local congregation.
Today, we face a different problem. People like Munroe and others essentially have had their own church. They started their own ministries, and they own them completely. They don’t have any local accountability about what they teach, as they’re not under anyone’s authority. Because these men and women are independent of any local body, and because they teach a worldwide audience on their own, local church discipline is simply impossible.
I teach. My local church has a head pastor, and a staff of other pastors. Each is accountable to someone, eventually going to the board of elders. The elders represent the congregation. When there’s a problem, anyone can go to an elder to raise the issue. The elders research and discuss the issue, and their job is to make sure that the standards in the New Testament are met. If there’s a problem with the elders, we’re part of a coalition of other local churches for oversight. I taught a class two weeks ago, and something I said caused some confusion. Someone went to the elders to talk about it, and they came to me. Last week, I taught the same class and cleared up the confusion. That’s how it should work. In cases where people like Myles Munroe teach unbiblically, that’s not possible.
Does that make sense?
Tony doesn’t understand kingdom and because of that he can’t hear the truth. I’m afraid Toney is the false teacher here.
Renita:
Like so many others, you seem to only be here to complain. Why not EXPLAIN the biblical view you’re talking about, so others may benefit? I’m not bothered by you calling me a false teacher. You have no evidence except that you disagree with me. If you could SHOW that I’m a false teacher, I will repent and change. Can you do that?
This web page is very disappointing and out of place. The break down of relationship between Yahweh and man is clear. God sends His word through circumstances, the Holy Bible and other believers. When Dr. Munroe spoke about dominion it can from the true living word of our father. The father did give dominion to mankind, He made us in His image to give us power to rule.
I am shocked with the fact that you decided to write about Dr. Myles Munroe in the manner that you have. I would like to see you challenge others such as your T D Jakes, Joel Olsteen, Steven Furtick, or Benny Hinn.
I am not taking away what you believe about what you wrote nor will I try to denounce your confidence. What I will ask you to do is challenge someone who can defend what they speak from the word of Yahweh. I would suggest you to challenge other Powerful Kingdom Men of Yahweh such as Pastor G. Craig Lewis or Pastor Gino Jennings.
For the other readers out there be aware of attention seekers, jealousy and envy. Read the word of Yahweh for yourself. Yahweh will lead you not man.
The enemy comes to steal, kill, and destroy
Warrior for Christ:
I’m disappointed to hear that you’re disappointed. That’s not because I feel I’ve been disappointing, but because it doesn’t seem like you’re taking the Bible very seriously. I don’t say that to be mean or offensive, but only as an observation. First, we’re to know what God has said. Those of us who have studied the Bible do know what God has said, so it’s easy to compare it with what people like Munroe have said. Second, we’re to point out false teaching wherever we find it. You may be disappointed to see that I’ve pointed out this particular man’s false teaching, but what you and I like is irrelevant. Myles Munroe taught things that contradict Scripture, and he also taught things that go far beyond anything Scripture says. We’re to stick with the gospel as it was handed down once for all. Here’s how Jude put it:
Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt compelled to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to God’s holy people.
Do you see that? The gospel doesn’t grow and change over time. The gospel was ONCE FOR ALL entrusted to God’s holy people. That gospel is in the New Testament. Myles Munroe taught tons of things that are not part of what was handed down, so Myles Munroe should not be known as a careful, faithful teacher of the gospel. You say that what he taught about dominion came from God, but you can’t back that up with Scripture. If you could, there would be no need for this article. Yes, God gave man dominion. Yes, we are made in His image. No, God was never locked out of His creation because Satan tricked Adam and Eve, and God didn’t formulate a way to trick Satan in return. That is, quite simply, heretical.
It takes time to write these articles, so I don’t have a ton of them yet… but you can see a list of false teachers here and, yes, I do have an article about the false teaching of Steven Furtick. I find it fascinating that you’ve named those other false teachers, as Munroe would have considered them true. In fact, some of the false teaching I’ve highlighted here came directly from a discussion between Munroe and Benny Hinn. There’s even a link to the video, should you care about the evidence.
You suggest that I challenge someone who can defend what they speak. I challenge YOU, Warrior for Christ. Can YOU ‘speak from the word of Yahweh’? If not, why are you bothering to write to me? If you’re unable, what makes you think you’re qualified to tell me I’m wrong? That seems silly. Don’t be silly. If you belong to Jesus, you belong to me… and I would be in your debt if you could show me – from the Scriptures – how I’m wrong. If you can’t do that – or if you won’t do that – then your comment is a waste of everybody’s time. I’m not going anywhere. Take your time. Build your case. Study the Scriptures and tell me where I’ve missed it. If you can do that, I will (of course) take down this article.
You are just another knowledgeless person who wants to become popular under the banner of Dr Myles Munroe. You are a child and you need understanding to understand this treasure. He never said anything against Bible. Ofcourse Jesus never said to preach himself but He said preach This gospel the gospel of the kingdom of God. What you want to know about nis the kingdom is f God and that’s what he said. No matter what I am glad that I found one of the greatest teacher for this age. I pity for you.
[Editor’s Note: I’m going to go ahead and publish this childish comment because it gives an obvious opportunity to point to the bad theology and biblical ignorance of the typical follower of these false teachers. That may sound harsh, but it’s not really even criticism… it’s an observation. The reason people follow a counterfeit is that they don’t know the difference between the real and the fake. People who study the New Testament and work to understand what Jesus taught and how His followers should live can easily spot a lie. Also of note is that not one single person who complains about the article above has bothered to explain their point of view in light of Scripture. Instead, they just call me names and assume that I have ulterior motives. That doesn’t bother me, except that it’s silly. Wanting to become popular is a common motivator, but I’d rather there was no need to write about false teachers. I don’t do what I do because I love it. I do it because there’s a need.]
“Jesus never said to preach himself but He said preach This gospel the gospel of the kingdom of God.”
You’re right: Jesus never said anything like “preach me.” What did He say?
go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. Matthew 28:19-20
Seems pretty obvious. So obvious, in fact, that His closest followers said these things:
Myles Munroe did not teach what Jesus’ disciples taught. It’s pretty easy to conclude that Munroe wasn’t, then, a disciple of Jesus Christ… and that his teaching didn’t make more disciples, which is what Jesus commanded. Should we talk about the Kingdom of God? Of course… Jesus did, and we should teach what He taught. That’s what His first disciples did, and that’s what all of His disciples – including us today – should do.
“He never said anything against the Bible.”
Nonsense. Myles Munroe taught all kinds of things that aren’t in the Bible, and he taught many things that contradict the things that are the Bible. Most of the quotes I’ve used here are things that he claimed are true but match nothing we find in Scripture:
… and so on. As for contradicting the Bible, that one’s pretty easy:
First, any biblical account of Jesus dying (or not dying) wouldn’t be in Hebrew. It would be in Greek, as with all New Testament documents. Why wouldn’t Myles know that? Second, why would they bury Him if He wasn’t dead? Finally, here are a few verses – right out of the Bible – that tell us plainly that Jesus died. Myles Munroe claimed that the Bible never says that Jesus really died.
I could go on and on and on and on and on. There are only two options: either Myles Munroe didn’t know that the Bible clearly says that Jesus actually died, or Myles Munroe was a false teacher who taught things that contradict Scripture. If he was ignorant, he shouldn’t have been pretending to be an authoritative teacher of the gospel. If he wasn’t ignorant, then he believed and taught a false gospel… and those who follow him are being led into error. Let’s take one final look at Scripture. It’s 1 Corinthians 15:3-8. It’s the passage that virtually every scholar – both religious and secular – believes is the oldest Christian creed, going back to perhaps a year after Jesus died:
For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, and that he appeared to Cephas, and then to the Twelve. After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers and sisters at the same time, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep. Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles, and last of all he appeared to me also, as to one abnormally born.
I hope that this information will be beneficial to you, chrysolite Benedict Kay. The only way it can be helpful is if you’re able to say that you trust the plain and obvious truths of Scripture to ANY PERSON’S teaching. You say that Myles Munroe never said anything against the Bible. I could show you literally hundreds of obvious examples where that’s not true. Please: abandon your allegiance to false teachers and surrender yourself to the truths that we find in Scripture. The prosperity gospel is false. Munroe’s teaching on “kingdom” is false. Take the time to read the New Testament for yourself and see for yourself. Don’t trust me. Let these verses be a starting point toward your new life of following Jesus more closely.
Let me know how I can help.
I suggest you start your own ministry to teach the truth if you think Dr. Myles Munroe’s are false. Why not make it an internationally recognized ministry like him. Dr. Myles has paid huge price to get to that depth to get the revelation of the word of God. All your arguments are all centered around attacking Dr. Myles and no message of revelation presented. Please repent and move to other areas of ministering the word of the Lord.
James:
First, thanks for writing. I do have my own ministry. Every Christian should. Maybe the only article you saw here was about the false teaching of Myles Munroe. Maybe you didn’t realize that people from around the world have been asking me questions about God and the Bible and Christianity for decades, and that GodWords is where I share the answers with the world. I get emails almost every day, asking for help. Some of those emails were from people wanting to know whether Myles Munroe was a responsible Bible teacher… someone they could trust to help them grow in Christ. How could I turn them away?
I don’t think Myles Munroe was a false teacher. I know Myles Munroe was a false teacher. How can I know this? It’s easy: by comparing what he taught with Scripture. You should do the same for me. I say “for me” because I’d like to know where I’ve missed the mark. If I’m wrong, I need someone to point it out so I can change and grow and make sure to not teach errors or repeat lies. Please feel free to read more on GodWords and let me know – like a Berean – where you think I could improve.
Let me ask you a question, my friend: do you believe that God is unable to do anything on earth until He gets permission from humans first? Do you agree with this statement from Munroe?
God could do nothing on Earth, nothing has God ever done on Earth, without a human giving him access.
If you do, please provide some Scriptures to show that it’s true. If you can’t, please repent and begin a serious study of God’s Word. Let me know how I can help.
It’s sad seeing you write such about Myles Munroe. It shows how we think we know but know so little. I will explain that statement to you.
In the book of kings, God’s intention for Israelites was to be their God, ruler and king. He led them out of Egypt via a prophet and brought them to the land of Canaan after so many years.
Point 1- all through th years of the Israelites wandering before the time of Samuel who was their king? I don’t think they have a king
Point 2 – why did God wait for moses to come back after staying with Jethro to deliver the Israelites from pharaoh?
Point 3 – why did God allowed Saul to be king even when that was not his intention?
An answer to these questions would give you better understanding.
This falsehood you are talking about is the concept of will.
Myles Munroe didn’t say God is incapable as you project it what he meant is God’s purpose is limited if he didn’t get your will in line with his. There are many exceptions to this teachings that’s based on prophecy or divine agenda just like King Cyrus in the book of Isaiah. This shouldn’t be falsehood if you truly understand God’s dealing with mankind.
Please, if you have personal hatred for Myles Munroe let us know stop tarnishing his image he built with so much energy and dedication.
Also, be apologetic with accurate understanding.
Dear Anonymous:
Thank you. You’re the first person to attempt to make a biblical defense of Myles Munroe here on GodWords. Unfortunately, your attempt seems to fall a bit short. I do appreciate it, though.
>> Myles Munroe didn’t say God is incapable as you project it what he meant is God’s purpose is limited if he didn’t get your will in line with his.
No, anonymous person. That’s not what he said. Here’s what he said:
Myles Munroe clearly taught that without our help, God is INCAPABLE of doing what He wants to do on Earth. That is false teaching.
>> Please, if you have personal hatred for Myles Munroe let us know stop tarnishing his image
No, anonymous person. I have no hatred for Myles Munroe. You should read more carefully. Here (again) is what I wrote about him in the article above:
You also probably didn’t read What is a False Teacher? either. It’s no wonder you would suggest that I hate the man. I do not.
What do I hate? I hate false teaching. Why? Because it leads people away from God, rather than toward God. THAT is the reason that the New Testament warns again and again and again that some will teach falsely. If there’s no danger, there’s no reason for concern. I’m sure you would agree that eternal life is important, and that Heaven is better than Hell… so let’s agree that ANY false teaching is bad.
Tell me, friend: do you believe that Jesus never really died? Please feel free to comment again. Have a great day!
Frankly, it’s sad the number of critical, often personalised comments are aimed at the author, without any serious rational or biblical support…
It’s astonishing that so many people think their view else their emotion is somehow tremendously valuable to others and, therefore, doesn’t need any substantiation.
Please, disagree, disagree with passion, but at least have the intellectual integrity to bring logic and scripture to the party or save yourself and others the time
You sound like a teacher. I appreciate the effort you put in to decipher and divide the Word of truth. So, I don’t know much about Myles Monroe, but I would implore you to first check yourself before being quick to point out anything false in someone else and calling them out as false. Careful with naming names. Guard against being Pharisaical. 2Cor3:6 -the letter of the law kills, but the spirit gives life. Any true minister of the gospel must ensure spoken rhema words lines up with the written logos word or preface as your own personal POV and still searching. And it’s probably better to not go there if you don’t know. Paul named names as he was an apostle. The people he called out were doing great harm to his ministry as he was following God through our Lord Jesus Christ. He did call out names. Are you an apostle? If you are, I’m wondering if you try to reason with someone before calling them out publicly?
Much more out-of-the-box thinking, and preaching is needed now. We have very badly lost the younger generation because the church has not been relevant. Much revelation in the word has not yet been revealed because the church is not mature enough to receive it. Leaders and saints. I believe this is going to change soon. Mistakes probably will be made where accuracy should be ensured. Be a builder of the kingdom. Much more needs to be done. Myles Monroe is no longer here. Our God is not always logical Ps 115:3. And uses the foolish things of this world to confound the wise. I sense that you want to do the greater works we’re called to.
Jeffrey:
Thanks for writing. It occurs to me that you may not have followed the suggestion at the top of the article, to read What is a False Teacher? That should help address some of your valid concerns.
To answer your questions (most of which are answered in that article): Yes, I do check myself first. Always. Yes, I am careful about naming names. Yes, I guard against being like a Pharisee. Yes, I’m careful to take my words and concepts from clear Scripture. Yes, Paul named names. No, one doesn’t need to be an apostle to do that. Did Paul have some special insight or protection that you and I don’t have? I don’t think so. An apostle is simply one who was personally involved with Jesus during His earthly ministry, and Paul was the one exception. Nobody alive on earth today is an apostle. Does that mean nobody should ever name names? Of course not.
The letters in the New Testament were written to local congregations, and they were generally to be circulated among the other churches. While some claim that pointing out false teaching should only be done locally, that’s not what happened in the New Testament… and it’s virtually impossible today. Most false teachers aren’t part of a local Christian congregation. Most own everything related to their ministry, including their churches. For that reason, there’s little local accountability for them, if there’s any at all. When a teacher broadcasts around the world, dealing with their false teaching in-house does not solve the problems that we’re instructed to solve in the Scriptures. My website, for example, has been viewed in every country and world area for decades. I should be scrutinized, and held accountable to the believing public. While it’s good to come to me personally with complaints and suggestions, as you have, false teachers are usually unwilling to engage with a stranger online. For example, I’ve tried to contact Joel Osteen… not to point out false teaching, but to alert him to a potential death threat. No response. That’s the way things are today so, unless one actually has contact with a false teacher, the only remedy is publishing the facts. I wish it weren’t so.
I sincerely appreciate your comment, brother. As a father and former youth leader and pastor, and as a teacher and writer, I’m concerned about making sure that the church teaches what we find in the Scriptures. As I see it, the reason most churches are dying, or are irrelevant, or are ineffective, is simply that we’ve strayed from God’s Word. Generally speaking, we don’t teach Scripture carefully, and we don’t disciple well. My goal is to change that, in all of the small ways that God has equipped me to do so. Thank you for your encouragement!
I think the idea that the author of this article is not necessarily understanding is that Yes, there is no precise scripture that says God cannot act without man.(Even though there actually is one I’ll share here) However, zooming out and looking at the Bible as a whole, one could make the inference that Myles was correct. How? Because anytime God was about to act He always sought out a willing vessel. Abraham, Moses, The Prophets, Paul, etc.. What Myles went on the explain about that issue is that it doesn’t diminish God’s power or sovereignty because God Himself is the one who chose it to be that way. It’s actually a testament to God’s holiness and integrity. He said let them have dominion over the earth. God has to honor His own words at all times because He cannot lie. A human example of this is if I tell my son he’s in charge of a project then I come back and interfere. In that case it wouldn’t matter that I’m Dad.I have violated my own word. Which is why scripture tells us God has placed His word above His name. Oh and there are a few verses that show God not moving without man but since this is based around Genesis I’ll keep it there.
Genesis 2:5 Now no shrub of the field was yet on the earth, and no plant of the field had yet sprouted, for the LORD God had not sent rain upon the earth, and there was no man to cultivate the ground.
Notice the correlation between God not sending rain for vegetation to grow and the lack of a man to cultivate the ground. God is all powerful why not cultivate the ground Himself??
Mike:
Thanks for writing! There’s no question that God sometimes waits for people to do things. However: that’s not what Munroe claimed. He claimed that God CANNOT do ANYTHING on Earth unless a human being gives Him permission. This is not only unbiblical, it’s heretical.
You say that God has to honor His word because He cannot lie… but, at the same time, you’re defending the idea that God did not know ahead of time what would happen in the Garden. As I’ve shown in the article above, Myles Munroe claimed that God couldn’t stop a ‘skinny woman’ from – and I quote – “destroying His whole program.” Do you believe God was ignorant about what would happen? Do you believe that the serpent tricked God, blindsiding Him with his sneakiness? No, that’s the opposite of what we see in the Bible. Take a look at Revelation 13:8. Jesus’ death was planned before Adam and Eve disobeyed. God knew it would happen, and had already planned for it. Eve didn’t destroy His whole program… and those who claim that she did are simply teaching a lie.
Hello Brother! Im just asking. Do you believe God called you to the ministry to call out what you believe is false doctrine? I say this respectfully. It’s not what you do it’s how you do it. You don’t realize how this website can confuse people that’s seeking salvation. I come to realize God meet people right where there are. It’s like trying to teach a 1st grader college work. They are not mature enough to understand. Let me ask you this? Do you think Dr Myles Monroe is in hell because of the things he talt? Please forgive me if you feel like im trying to attack you. I wish we could have talk privately. Let me give you this truth. God is going to have court with every person based of their belief. It’s like when Adam and Eve fell in the garden. God went to Adam 1st concerning Adam only. He question Adams act based off of what Adam knew. Then he went to Eve. He didn’t have court with both of them at the same time. There’s a reason for that. Have it may have occurred to you that the flood could have been a result because no one got along to work together for the vision of the Lord? Now I didn’t get that out the Bible. But I come to realize when something doesn’t come together we tear it down and start over. Now that my thoughts. I discovered when you begin to study God’s word you begin to question a lot of peoples ministry that you used to listen to. I don’t think what they said was false teaching I just believe the way they explained it is not the way that you received it but if you had a chance to talk to them you probably be on the same page. I could be wrong. I found out God move though obeying Laws. So if someone is teaching manipulation on something, that is true, I don’t receive them. And I’m able to do that because of discernment. Truth be told you’re searching for God’s truth just like everyone on this website is I would like to believe. I don’t care how much you clam to love God. It’s a person action that really pleases God. This how radical i am about our KING. You can give me something you believe God gave you. Im not going to believe it because you shared it. But if it’s in alliance with what I believe and been seeking. We good. Thank God for meeting you. Im trusting on God to put the Right people in my path. I let go a long time ago on following a man passion without seeing his sacrifice for his vision. We can easily misunderstand the writing of any author, if he’s not here to give you an understanding of what he meant in the passage because he’s not here we just assume that he is teaching something thats not correct. No disrespect but I disagree with the way that you’re handling things only because we have people that’s really really trying to find there way.
Ricky:
First, thanks for writing. I appreciate your kind and thoughtful tone. Your comment is long, so I’ll take each part one at a time.
>>Do you believe God called you to the ministry to call out what you believe is false doctrine?
I have, in fact, been called to the ministry… but I don’t believe that matters for most things. God called me to ministry almost 37 years ago, so this is something I’ve thought quite a bit about. Do you believe that one must be called to the ministry to call out false teaching? If so, where does this belief come from? It’s certainly not in the New Testament. In fact, I see very little about being called to the ministry at all. It mostly means that a person believes God wants them to pursue ministry as their job. It doesn’t separate the called from the rest of the Body of Christ in any spiritual way. There’s no spiritual difference between those who make their living in ministry and those who do not. So, let’s address the important question: does the Bible suggest that only the called should be pointing out false doctrine? No, it doesn’t.
>>You don’t realize how this website can confuse people that’s seeking salvation.
With respect, you don’t know what I realize and what I don’t. I’ve been running GodWords for over 20 years, and many thousands of people have written to me personally to ask questions… that doesn’t include the many thousands who leave comments like yours (which are also very important). Why do people search the internet and ask strangers their most important questions? It’s because they want answers. Almost everything on GodWords is an actual answer to an actual question from an actual person who asked me for help. I have no doubt that what I’ve written may confuse some people, sometimes. That’s not what I want, of course… but the way to never confuse anyone is to never say anything. I’m simply trying to show people where the answers are. Would you suggest that I stop?
>>It’s like trying to teach a 1st grader college work. They are not mature enough to understand.
Yes, that’s often the case. However: how do people mature, so they CAN understand? Clearly, it’s by reading Scripture and talking with more mature believers about following Jesus closely. Should we avoid teaching because some have to work hard to understand? I wouldn’t think so. Also – believe it or not – many of the millions who have visited GodWords ARE mature enough to understand, and simply need to discuss the ideas with other mature believers. Not everyone who reads what I write is a spiritual child.
>>Do you think Dr Myles Monroe is in hell because of the things he talt?
I don’t see anything in Scripture to suggest that. What do I see in Scripture? That we’re to point out false teaching, we’re to confront false teachers, we’re to remove them from the fellowship if they’re unrepentant, and that Heaven is reserved for those who are born again by submitting themselves to God. Neither you nor I know whether Myles Munroe was born again, and we shouldn’t pretend that we do.
>>I wish we could have talk privately.
Me too! I’d buy you lunch.
>>Have it may have occurred to you that the flood could have been a result because no one got along to work together for the vision of the Lord?
Um… no. With respect, Ricky: you really should look this stuff up. The answers are right there in the text. The Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And the Lord regretted that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him to his heart. So the Lord said, “I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the land, man and animals and creeping things and birds of the heavens, for I am sorry that I have made them.” God didn’t flood the earth because people didn’t get along. He did it because of the evil and wickedness in those alive at that time. Please don’t compare me pointing out false teaching with evil and wicked people.
>>I found out God move though obeying Laws.
This is a confusing sentence. I’m not exactly sure what you mean. If you mean that God obeys laws, you’re simply wrong. Who makes laws that God must follow? Nobody, of course. Does God make laws that God must follow? That’s a silly idea, to be honest. That idea suggests that God thinks one thing, then thinks another, and reminds Himself that He must follow the law that He made before. That’s not the God we see in the Bible. That’s some lesser being that doesn’t actually exist. Unfortunately, Word of Faith teachers always demote God from the perfect, all-knowing being that He is into something only slightly more than human. Myles Munroe did this, and it sounds like you may have followed in his footsteps. God does not follow laws, nor does He need them.
>>We can easily misunderstand the writing of any author, if he’s not here to give you an understanding of what he meant in the passage because he’s not here we just assume that he is teaching something thats not correct.
Yes, misunderstanding CAN lead to disagreement. No, let’s not pretend that you’ve understood Myles Munroe and I haven’t. We have plenty of proof that he taught falsely. I’ve presented a tiny fraction here, to let people know they should be careful about following those who contradict the clear teaching of Scripture. Do you really believe that Eve destroyed God’s whole program? Myles taught that, and it matches what other Word of Faith teachers say. No, there’s no misunderstanding when we compare what one says with what God has said in the Bible. With respect – and I mean that – the only people I see suggesting that false teachers are misunderstood are those who haven’t actually studied Scripture. With respect – and I truly do mean that – it seems you may fall into that group. Please don’t take that as an attack, as I’m not attacking you. I’m suggesting that part of your disagreement with me comes from not having studied what the New Testament says about false teachers, and about how Christians should respond when confronted with false teaching. Let me encourage you to actually begin a study on that topic… the New Testament has a LOT to say about false teachers.
You seem to be saying that I should not have told the world what Myles Munroe taught, as 1) they’re immature, 2) I’m doing it wrong, and 3) I’ve misunderstood him. Believe me, I’d rather not NEED to write about false teachers. I’ve only done so because people have asked whether this teacher or that teacher can be trusted. Could I be wrong? Of course… and, if I’m wrong, I would be in your debt if you could correct me. So here’s the question, my new friend Ricky: will you? Will you be able to walk me through the Scriptures and show me where I’ve gotten it wrong? Will you help me in this way, since I’m asking you for help? Are you prepared to explain – from Scripture – how Myles Munroe was right and I’m wrong?
If so, let me know. I’ll take as much time to learn from you as you’re willing to spend teaching me. What do you say?
Sadly, you have obviously NEVER studied this for yourself. You seem as if you would rather stay rooted in your RELIGIOUS dogma. A careful, prayerful and Holy Spirit lead study for YOURSELF would perhaps open your eyes to the truth……if you even believe in the Holy Spirit. As it says any fusions chapter 1, I pray that God, the god of our Lord Jesus Christ the father glory may give to you the spirit of wisdom and revelation, in the knowledge of him, as he asked if your understanding will be enlighten that you may know what is the hope of his colon what are the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the Saints and what is the exceeding greatness of his power toward us you believe, according to the workings of his mighty powers, which he worked in Christ when he raised him from the dead and see him and his right hand in heavenly places For above all principalities and power, and might Enderman him in every name that is named, not only in this age, but also in that which is to come . Jesus can’t be a king without a kingdom and you can’t have a kingdom without a king. The Bible says he is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him. I would suggest you read Mark chapter 1 verses 14 and 15 and don’t read into it. You’re a Christian doctrine read what it says and believe what it says because your salvation depends upon it. I love you with the love of Christ. God bless you.
William:
I appreciate you taking the time to write to me. I don’t really appreciate you pretending that we disagree because I’m ignorant, or because I’m uncritically dogmatic about the things I’ve been taught. I doubt you’d appreciate me approaching you that way, so let’s dispense with the insults and assumptions and simply deal with the issues with respect and compassion. What causes me to write about false teachers is not anger or a desire to be right, but compassion for those who have already come to me with questions. I would hope that you could come to me and, while disagreeing, come with compassion… to serve me, not to condemn me.
I’d like to be abundantly clear in my response. I’ll bet that if we set our Bibles side by side, they would each contain the same words. I’ll also bet that, generally speaking, you and I are both familiar – in general – with what the Bible teaches. Not everything, certainly, but the big stuff at least. Finally, I’m also willing to bet that you and I are equally concerned about pointing out false teaching and obeying true teaching. If that’s the case, then our disagreement is not based in what God’s Word says. Instead, our disagreement must be about one or two things, or both:
Does that make sense? That seems to be the basis of our disagreement to this point. Right?
So: if we want, we can work together to clear up our disagreement by addressing what Myles Munroe actually said. If it’s in Scripture, we can study the passages to learn whether he handled them appropriately. If it’s not in Scripture, we should at least acknowledge that it’s not in there, and assess those statements based on what God DID say. If you would, please take another look at what Munroe has actually said, and be as specific as possible in addressing it:
God could do nothing on Earth, nothing has God ever done on Earth, without a human giving him access. So he’s always looking for a human to give him power permission. In other words, God has the power, but you have the permission. God has the authority and the power, you’ve got the license. So even though God could do anything, he can only do what you permit him to do.
Please, if you can, point me to the passage(s) that directly and specifically teach anything even remotely like what he said. This statement makes claims about God and His ability, about man and our ability, about our relationship with God, about who’s dependent on whom, and more. Those seem like a pretty big deal, and something that we should work to get right.
Now, please read this next part very carefully.
If your response does not include the actual Bible verses that back up Munroe’s claims, it must include your acknowledgement that those verses don’t exist. Otherwise, I won’t publish your response. Perhaps you think that’s a bit harsh… but you put yourself in this position. You claimed that I’m ignorant, having never studied this for myself. I could list my credentials, my experience, and get into dueling reputations… but that’s how the world fights. This isn’t about your supremacy or mine, William. This isn’t a battle between you and me. This is simply a search for the truth, and anything else is a distraction. Myles Munroe said those words, and claimed a whole bunch of stuff about God with them. That’s just one statement, but it’s a great place to start. Deal with his words, back them up with clear Scriptures, or admit that he taught things that aren’t in the text… if you can.
If you can’t, I have little doubt this will be our last interaction on the subject. Do me a favor, will you? Surprise me?
Genesis 1:26-28………..VERY SIMPLY PUT…….LET “THEM” have dominion…. [Edited]
William:
I’m not going to publish all of your comments. Why? Because you annoy me. Why am I annoyed by you? Well… here’s a list of irrelevant assumptions written by you, about me, so far:
That’s quite a list, William. It’s actually pretty interesting how wrong you are. Not just a little wrong, but entirely wrong.
It’s noteworthy that none of that has anything to do with what Myles Munroe taught, or with anything found in Scripture. To make your point, you obviously feel the need to diminish me personally, rather than explain the plain meaning of Scripture. At one point you’ve called me “brother.” You’ve given me reason to doubt your sincerity in that regard. A good-faith discussion is a great benefit. Should you seek a good-faith discussion, I’ll be here when you’re ready. Until then, I’m going to say goodbye for now.
Have a great day!
PS: the part about God giving man dominion is biblical. The rest is not: the idea that God is powerless to do what He wants without our permission isn’t biblical. The idea that Eve messed up God’s plan because He was powerless isn’t biblical. It’s simply unbiblical nonsense, which is what makes Myles Munroe a false teacher.
If you’re a Christian and follow Christ, the Bible is the ultimate true. So as a red flag with someone comments, this guy is the only one who taught whatever. God will never give one individual man the ultimate power to be truth.
And I think this documentation was presented correctly in reference to scripture, which is the baseline. And if scriptures change or twist it, then it’s a lie. Which, unfortunately, he did making it look like good, but clearly was not God.
Thank you for sharing this with us Tony
Thanks. Keep it up brother.
Thanks, Alvin!
I can appreciate this article. The first time I read it a few months ago, I didn’t finish because I was too defensive to listen.
However, I care deeply about hearing the truth from scripture and I want to make sure that those I follow are accurately representing God’s word. That said, I wonder, does being wrong on one or two issues make one a “false teacher”? I try to be very careful in using this title to describe others. As you mentioned before, Munroe did teach a lot of true things and I personally believe he did what God called him to do.
My only issue is I wonder if context here was misunderstood because Munroe failed to correct misspoken words, maybe he didn’t even realize it. In several teachings He talks at length about Jesus’ death on the cross. To take one moment where he said “Jesus didn’t really die” I think what he meant was that Jesus wasn’t “killed”. Which he wasn’t. The Bible says he expired which means he gave up his life. This seems to correspond with John 10:17-18. Jesus laid His life down voluntarily to take it up again. I believe Munroe makes this point but not in the sermon you included, and I can’t remember which one it is myself.
I do agree with the bit about prayer to an extent. I think it’s important to include the quote he began that sermon with by St. Augustine “Without God, we cannot; without us, God will not”. I think Myles point was the same as Augustine’s: that prayer is a partnership with God, not that God is somehow incapable of performing without man. I admit the way Munroe taught it though, it does come across as a bit arrogant and I can see how falsehood can easily be derived from it.
Charles:
Thank you for your thoughtful comment! I’m happy to read it… not because you came back to reread the article, but because you’re so concerned about knowing the truth. That’s awesome!
No, being wrong doesn’t make one a false teacher. That would mean that everyone is a false teacher, as I’m sure nobody has everything 100% right. It might be helpful to read What is a False Teacher? and see that this can be a difficult question. As I’ve written there: making mistakes, or simply being wrong, does not automatically make someone a false teacher.
It’s possible that Munroe misspoke about Jesus not dying, and it’s possible there’s more to it than what I’ve seen. I can’t rule that out. At the same time, we shouldn’t ignore when someone says “the Bible says” or “the Bible doesn’t really say.” They’re either correct or incorrect. Was Myles Munroe correct or incorrect when he said that the Bible never says that Jesus really died? Clearly, he was incorrect. Anybody reading the New Testament can see this again and again. I wish I could find the full video, to see more context. If you can help with that, I’d be grateful.
As for his mention of Augustine, there’s a gigantic difference between the two. Augustine wrote that without us, God WILL NOT. That’s worth considering, of course. God has chosen to use us, to work through us at times, and to – in some sense – partner with us to accomplish His purposes. Munroe didn’t teach that. Munroe didn’t slightly alter that. He didn’t use that as a starting point. Instead – as many Word of Faith teachers do – Myles Munroe taught that God CAN NOT.
I hope you can see the difference between WILL NOT and CAN NOT. The first expresses no inability on God’s part. Rather, it expresses that God could do something on His own, but chooses not to. Munroe taught again and again that God’s ability is limited, and that He must depend on us. This doesn’t just appear false. It is entirely false. If Munroe were the only teacher who taught this, one might consider it a quirky way of expressing things that’s easily misunderstood. Unfortunately, he’s not the only one who taught this. It’s fairly standard Word of Faith theology that God gave His dominion to man, who was tricked by Satan, who was tricked in return by God into giving dominion back to man, who must then give permission to God before He can do anything. Because his teaching on the subject matches so many others, who all point back to a couple of men for these ideas, we must not treat it as some kind of anomaly, but as the foundational idea behind most Word of Faith teaching.
This kind of idea isn’t isolated in Word of Faith circles, and it’s not isolated in one area of Munroe’s teaching. As quoted in the article, here he speaks of God’s inability to prevent the Fall:
… why couldn’t this mighty God who made 500 million planets and galaxies could not stop a skinny little women from picking the fruit to destroy his whole program? I mean, come on God, aren’t you powerful? You can intervene, you can destroy the works of the devil, prevent the woman and save humanity. But he couldn’t. Not that he didn’t, he couldn’t.
I’m very happy to see that you’re doing your homework, Charles. We should all do the same. I want you to understand that if I could sit with Myles Munroe, I would probably like him, and we would agree on many things. This isn’t a personal attack against a man I dislike… not at all. The point of writing about Munroe is that the New Testament clearly tells us to point to the truth and to point out the falsehoods. The ideas taught by Munroe and other Word of Faith teachers are dangerous, as seen by those who have been disillusioned about God by believing false teaching. It’s good that Munroe said many true things. I have no doubt that Hymenaeus, Alexander, Philetus, and Demas also said many true things, but the apostle Paul still called them out when they spoke falsely.
I hope you understand that my motivation is to simply point people to Scripture. Anyone who knows what the Bible says can spot false teaching. The problem is that most people won’t read their Bible for themselves, or false teachers would have no audience. Because so many have asked me to comment, I feel compelled to help them. I hope I’ve been even a little bit helpful to you, my friend… and I hope that you’ll continue searching the Scriptures for yourself, comparing what Munroe and every other teacher has said with what God has said.
Here is the missing link: “THE HOLY SPIRIT”. That is all that is needed to shed light on the perversive misconceptions in Christendom. Please do not commonize this!
At Tony, good to see you have good knowledge of what is contained in the Scripture, but I think we do not ONLY need the sword of the Spirit (Ephesians 6:17) or the word of God, but the Holy Spirit who is the ultimate source of the word of God and the best interpreter of the Scripture. Please think deeply about these things.
JayT:
You are, of course, correct. God Himself, who dwells in everyone who is born again, does guide and convict and illuminate. However: you might be shocked to see how many contradict Scripture but claim to know the truth because they “have the Holy Spirit.” Too often, that’s a substitute for being devoted to the apostles’ teaching (Acts 2) and correctly handling the word of truth (2 Timothy 2). It often looks like this:
I’ll be blunt here: anytime someone claims that the Holy Spirit has confirmed for them something that contradicts clear passages of Scripture, they’re wrong. It’s incredibly common, unfortunately. Essentially, they’re saying “God told me this in my heart, where you can’t see or hear or know what really happened but you should trust me and change your beliefs because God told me this personally.”
The only effective way to address false doctrine is to appeal to some kind of common ground… something both parties agree with. For those claiming to be Christian, that common ground is usually the Bible. Your Bible says the same things my Bible says, so it’s pretty simple to point to what God has said as a way to correct misunderstandings and false teaching. You and I agree that the Holy Spirit IS the missing link in all of these discussions… but nobody is in a position to challenge false doctrine that way. We’re left with the objective truths of Scripture as our primary means of pointing out false doctrine.
Make sense?
Hi all,
I kinda wish bro Tony would have disabled the comment section because I’m sure LOTS of time and energy and pain was experienced DEFENDING CLEAR EVIDENCE of false doctrine.
What amazes me is that bro Tony litterally quoted Dr. Monro WORD FOR WORD and STILL some will not believe.
Let me tell you WHY people CANNOT SEE the truth.
It’s because GOD JUDGED THEM and HE BLINDED THEM so they will be destroyed because when the TRUTH kept coming to them, they kept REJECTING THE TRUTH.
I say to those of you whom GOD HIMSELF BLINDED because you didnt want HIS TRUTH, I say to you: REPENT, REPENT yee therefore and be yr converted so that times of refreshing can come from the LORD.
RESPECT GODS TRUTHS or GOD WILL BLIND YOU TO THE TRUTH AS JUDGMENT AGAINST YOU.
Bro Tony, keep preaching the truth.
You’re absolutely right but permit me to share something that might shed light on the problem.
” But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth”
“.. and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.”
These two scriptures (plus others that support them) tell us that we cannot find truth on our own..otherwise we would not need the Holy Spirit to guide us!
The wording here is precise… we are to be lead by the Holy Spirit into truth. In other words we follow by choice.
That begs the question… Is the Holy Spirit going to lead us all into all truth? I think not. The Holy Spirit is ONLY going to lead us into truth He knows we need. It means we can and almost certainly do, seek after truth that is not going to be revealed by the Holy Spirit.. maybe because it’s a distraction.
This is huge because it explains why there are so many different views on so many different facets of doctrine and leaves us wondering… “Does the truth I hold to, come from the Holy Spirit or my considered research?”
I can say that “some” of the doctrine I hold to, I believe came directly from the Holy Spirit but if I’m brutally honest most of my doctrine comes from researched, considered opinions, context, logic, etc. In other words, my own wranglings. I don’t like the idea but have to accept that if I’ve not been lead by the Holy Spirit into such truth, then no matter how logical, how well researched and considered, I might actually be wrong.
Ironically, this feeds right back to the issue at heart. Even if the Holy Spirit has revealed some facet of truth to me, is it incumbent on me to share with everyone else? Maybe but possibly not. After all, if the Holy Spirit doesn’t direct me to share then the person receiving isn’t going to receive His revelation no matter how eloquently I share any truth!
This revelation has helped me change the lens through which I look at others who reject the truth I share and actually reflect and pray before sharing anything…
Shalom aleichem
That’s some excellent insight, Darren… thanks!
So I’ve got an issue with another’s comment but since there’s no name addressed aside from “Follower of Christ” it seems I’ll make this it’s own separate comment since I can’t reply directly.
The comment made “in summary” made the case that word for word quoting is somehow equivalent to “clear evidence” and therefore those who don’t accept it are therefore judged and doomed to destruction. Allow me to make something perfectly clear: it’s that type of ignorant and arrogant talk that steers people away from God and I’ve would warn sternly against that. I’ve watched a number of people dear to me either reject God or sink deeper into isolation due to this and it needs to STOP!!
It’s one thing to have disagreements and reason among ourselves the faith that is within us. It’s one thing to even have disagreements and discussions over the delivery of other presenters of God’s word (such as we have done in this domain). It’s completely something else, however, to judge one another’s status of salvation based on those agreements as if you speak for God.
You are wrong in saying that those who won’t believe or agree with Tony’s position are blinded and judged by God, doomed to suffer destruction. Frankly I almost can’t believe you’d say such a ridiculous thing. For one, it’s not even a logical thing to say. If God blinded someone from seeing the truth, yet God us the arbiter of truth, how then does it follow that we should be condemned for it? That’s like me slamming the door in your face and blaming you for not coming in.
Secondly, God does not judge us while we are here on earth. Certainly not for having reservations about whether or not a teaching is true or false. Understanding is a process and not everyone gets there at the same time. Lastly, as well intentioned as brother Tony may be, he is not God. And both agreements and disagreements are perfectly ok. I’m sure that’s why the comment section is open in the first place.
It shows openness to being corrected if he is wrong (given the counter argument is persuasive enough) and extends the opportunity for further explanation to those who still need convincing.
In closing, for the love of Christ, please don’t repeat such nonsense again. Instead answer WITH the love of Christ in gentleness, respect, and a better application of scripture. Much appreciated.
Also, to Tony, you make great points and I appreciate your response. I’m going over a few sermons so that I can reference them better in my response because I still have questions. I hope you’ll be patient with me as I prepare; I still have some questions.
Thanks, Charles. You make a great point. I can’t count the times people essentially say that anyone who disagrees with their position must be ignorant, or unspiritual, or whatever. Jesus didn’t just show up and say, “I’m the Messiah!” He gave evidence, and encouraged people to judge Him by His actions. Christianity is a historical, evidence-based belief system. When we pretend that the only evidence needed is our opinion, we end up serving only ourselves. That’s definitely not the goal!
I look forward to hearing more from you, my friend. I have no doubt our community will benefit from your wisdom. Have a great day!
Follower of Christ Response Part 1 of 3
Hi Charles and brother Tony, I completely AGREE (I also can’t count how many times people have been judgmental and condemning even to the point of salvation threatening just because you express a different opinion)
This usually comes from a spirit of self-righteousness or false spirituality.
But i wasnt coming from there.
Again, the DEEP things of God is what i was discussing.
Whats basically going on here is in this article Bro Tony QUOTE’s and LINKS TO “clearly blasphemous” statements, taken “in proper context” made by Miles Monroe.
And yet, people are BLIND as they DEFEND Miles Monroe.
I simply spoke on a DEEP thing of God as to WHY they are blind.
Its because SOME have made a conscious decision to REJECT TRUTH revealed by CHRIST (not brother Tonys article).
Follower of Christ response Part 2 of 3
Christ said ” I am the way the truth and the light”
Yet as brother Tony pointed out, Miles Monroe rejected that truth in saying that Jesus wasn’t THE GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM (there is NO KINGDOM without a KING)
The people who follow Miles Monroe in REJECTING CHRIST or who follow ANYONE or ANYTHING in Reject Christ in some cased have been BLINDED BY GOD for Rejecting Christ.
Jesus knowing God the Father warned people and said the day that you hear my voice Harden not your heart. There is a real consequence for hardening your heart to Jesus Christ. God is Not mocked. It is a GIFT of God to UNDERSTAND Jesus. It is a GIFT of God to understand and see the truth. Jesus said He that hath ears to hear LET HIM HEAR. Everyone does NOT have ears to hear as Jesus taught in Mathew 13 (the parable of the sower)
I warned the reader there is a consequence for rejecting the truth and that is God blinds those who reject the truth so they can’t receive the truth because they’ve already rejected the truth. The Apostle Paul warned of a REPUBATE MIND of those who REJECT truth.
GOD DOES NOT CHANGE he BLINDS those who constantly REJECT his TRUTH
Follower of Christ response part 3 of 3
It was not Satan who introduced the veil! Who blinded Israel? God Himself declares that He blinded and hardened the hearts of the Israelites, just as He promised He would if they persisted in disobedience (Deuteronomy 28:28):
» And He said, “Go, and tell this people: ‘Keep on hearing, but do not understand; keep on seeing, but do not perceive.’ Make the heart of this people dull, and their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and return and be healed.” (Isaiah 6:9-10)
» For the LORD has poured out on you the spirit of deep sleep, and has closed your eyes, namely, the prophets; and He has covered your heads, namely, the seers. (Isaiah 29:10)
» Therefore, behold, I will again do a marvelous work among this people, a marvelous work and a wonder; for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hidden. (Isaiah 29:14)
Because of Israel’s hardness of heart and rejection of God, part of Isaiah’s unusual commission was to make Israel’s self-inflicted blindness even worse (Isaiah 6:9-10)! God successfully used Isaiah, such that when Jesus came on the scene, the nation was still blind except for the few to whom He chose to grant spiritual sight. When Jesus came to His own, God withheld an incredible blessing, such that the Jews, in general, could not see their Savior. Recall Jesus’ prayer in Matthew 11:25: “I thank You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and prudent and have revealed them to babes.” His people saw Him physically, yet most did not recognize Him spiritually.
Would you please share me every link as reference to Munroe’s teachings?
Yohannes:
I’d be happy to share whatever information I have with you. I must ask: have you checked the Notes section at the bottom of the article? If so, which reference are you looking for? Is there anything else I can do for you?
I discovered Dr. Myles Munroe 3 days ago and something about his preaching on dominion struck me and left me with serious doubts…
I am glad the author addressed that BUT I am disappointed and saddended to see how a christian author respond to critics.
Thank you for doing the leg work here. It made it so much easier for me to point out the false teachings of Monroe. I have a difficult time sitting through the abomination of his videos. Great work, praise God!
Thanks, Frank! It’s nice to know it’s been helpful. Let me know if you have any questions, or there’s anything more I can do for you.
Tony who? Tony Evans?
I’m afraid your comment is too short, Frank… what are you asking?
I was watching a video of Munroe, which a friend of mine had suggested. This friend claims that Munroe was not a “prosperity gospel” preacher. Munroe did a fair job of professing this, and side-stepping the issue in his preaching, even though he associated with such preachers like Benny Hinn.
Munroe preaches that people need to give an offering to God, and because God is a King, and Kings do things to show how great and glorious they are, God must give back enough to embarrass us with our offering. Munroe mentioned that if you give God $5, He will give you $10 back, which is enough to embarrass you. So if you want God to give to you abundantly, then you give to Him abundantly. So if you give $1000 He will give you $10,000. If you give Him $1,000,000 He will give you $10,000,000.
So while Munroe did not preach “prosperity” by that name, he still taught the principles. He lived off of that principle, with access to a great deal of money for personal use, which he brags about, but then says it comes from God. If Munroe gave money to God, it would be the money that others gave as an offering to God through Monroe’s organization. It’s like being handed millions of dollars and saying you are a self-made millionaire.
Munroe likens God to kings of this world. But God is higher than any king, as are His thoughts and ways. The human kings of this world are no more than a corrupted view of such authority.
Deuteronomy 17:17 NLT
The king must not take many wives for himself, because they will turn his heart away from the LORD. And he must not accumulate large amounts of wealth in silver and gold for himself.
Deuteronomy 6:11-12 NLT
The houses will be richly stocked with goods you did not produce. You will draw water from cisterns you did not dig, and you will eat from vineyards and olive trees you did not plant. **When you have eaten your fill in this land, [12] be careful not to forget the LORD, who rescued you from slavery in the land of Egypt.** (emphasis added)
Munroe may have not called it a prosperity gospel, but only so he could still gain personal wealth, shackle people with crushing debt (which we are told not to do) and see ourselves as the ones who build God’s Kingdom. God does not need us for anything. He wants us, but does not need us.
The message to Monroe’s followers, even today, is that if you are not wealthy, you are not blessed by God and have not given Him sufficient offerings to merit such. This leads Munroe’s followers to also question their salvation, since they do not seem to be blessed, and thus must be out of favor with God.
I pray that those who follow Munroe, and false teachers like him, will see the truth of God’s word and break free from this false gospel.
Thank you very much, Frank!